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Topic: WWPD (or, What Would Parsec Do..) Z97 Extreme6 ?'s
Posted By: ADuquequax
Subject: WWPD (or, What Would Parsec Do..) Z97 Extreme6 ?'s
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 12:30pm
Hi All - well, ok, entirely possible more than just parsec can answer; however, from some other forum past posts, looks like back in the protozoic (aka, late 2014), looks like parsec had the same mobo as my build and has experience/expertise to resolve some questions I don't know & haven't been able to search out answers for.

Story is, was gonna build pc around this time last year, but, broke foot, didn't find time to get on the project 'til now!  This is kinda like long-time listener, 1st-time caller... first ever pc build, but not a total stranger to pc's; 1st pc was an IBM XT in 1985.  Not much up on the pc world for awhile now, stopped paying attention when print version of PC Magazine went away some 8-9 yrs. ago; so, at this point, more noob than not.

Build:

ASRock Z97 Extreme6, bios 1.40
i7-4790k LGA1150 4ghz 8mb cache
Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 2133mhz 4x8gb, 32gb kit: pn#:CMY32GX3M4A2133C11
Noctua NH-D15 cpu cooler

4x256gb SSD's for RAID10: Crucial MX100 CT256MX100SSD1
HD: Seagate 4tb sata 6.0gb/s 64mb cache pn#: STBD4000400
Optical: LG Black blu-ray burner sata 4mb cache pn#: WH16NS40

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW 4gb GDDR5
PS: EVGA 1000 P2 pn#: 220-P2-1000-XR 80 PLUS Platinum

Case: Rosewill Thor V2, white
Corsair K95 Keyboard
Gigabyte GM-Raptor mouse
Monitor: 28" Asus PB287
Will use speakers I already have

64-bit MS Win 7 Ultimate SP1

If you're wondering why no M.2... didn't even know what it was when I bought the board last year, just found what it was in the last week of getting into the assembly and looking more up in detail.  Chose the ASRock mb because of reading so many reviews of other brand's boards that were d.o.a., seemed less of that in ASRock reviews.  Certainly what I'm hoping for too, no d.o.a.!

Parsec's post here has been informative: http://forums.tweaktown.com/asrock/59421-questions-about-building-new-system-asrock-z97-extreme-6-a.html

Ok - so, on the what-goes-where side -

Couldn't find anything in the mb manual specifically pointing out which are the ASMedia sata connectors, but, deducing from the specs & parsec's comment in the linked post , presumably they're the 4 with the "A" in label, SATA3_A1 thru A4, guessing A to indicate ASMedia.  Presumably, from parsec's comment in the other post about ASMedia, the ASMedia ports should be shunned like lepers, so I haven't connected any of the drives to what-are-presumably those.

Since the manual isn't absolutely clear and it takes looking at the board itself to see arrows indicating which ports are which, I pieced together the following pic from the manual for clarity's sake, hopefully have things correct here -



So, first question - what sata ports to use for the 4 SSD's for RAID10?

Should it be:

SATA3_0,1,2,3... (SSD's connected to top row, and bottom right of the Intel ports, leaving 4 & 5 for the HD & optical)

or...

1st SSD: SATA3_0
2nd SSD: SATA3_3
3rd SSD: SATA3_1
4th SSD: SATA3_4

which leaves 2 & 5, the last ports on the left open, for HD & optical

or.. something else?

Whichever two are left, does it matter which to connect the HD or optical to?

Next question - the case has 4 chassis fans, one smaller 140mm at the top rear, three 230mm, one in front of the drive bays (bottom front), then top rear, and left side.  The front bottom fan has a power switch button in the front case.

Does it matter which fan gets connected to which mobo connector?  I wouldn't want the one with the switch to pose a risk of some type to the mb, for instance.  The only answer I could search out on the question is whether it's better to use manual fan controls if available vs. connecting to mb, I'm going on the assumption it's better to let the bios manage fan speeds.

At the moment its:

Smaller 140mmto CHA_FAN3,  since that's the closest connector to it. (the Noctua CPU cooler is aligned w/ this fan, at the moment have the cpu fans' airflow going towards this, which hopefully is the same airflow direction of the cooler fans)
Top 230mm to PWR_FAN1
Front 230mm to CHA_FAN1
Side 230mm to CHA_FAN2

Next question - the case front panel has an eSATA port, I have to assume the single SATA connector from the case's panel wires go to that (case info/manual says nothing).  All 6 Intel SATA ports on the mb are spoken for, so the only thing to connect that to is any of the remaining ASMedia ports.  Since A4 is inop if the rear eSATA is connected, I defaulted to A1, but I don't even know if that means anything since there's nothing in the mb manual for this particular scenario of my case.  Front panel eSATA to A1, yes, no, works?

I plugged the panel header USB 3.0 plug to mb USB3_4_5 on the guess that lower in the chain is better, even though I'm also guessing USB3_6_7 works fine also, and it doesn't really make any difference which is used.

I think that handles the hookup connections -

At the moment, except peripherals of mouse, keybd, monitor, everything except HD is connected up to the mb.  Haven't turned on the power yet, figured to seek further guidance before that step.

So - any reason to risk updating the bios of the mb, (or the SSD cards, which also have a firmware update available)?  Or, should I plug in the monitor, kb, & mouse, & see if it fires up, recognizes what's connected, and try to get into the UEFI and start fiddling with settings there?

If a BIOS update is warranted, is that best done using a USB stick flash drive and the USB1 connector on the motherboard?  Something I've never done, so specifics appreciated, or steering towards previous posts on the topic also appreciated.  Perusing posts, seems someone got hosed using the update via the UEFI, so hoping to avoid such disasters & make the get-running process successful.  If it-aint-broke-don't-fix-it, leave-well-enough-alone, & don't-poke-the-hornet's-nest is better than the consequences, I'm ok with that if that's what it takes to get things going.

Not very clear on the setup & then windows-install process... got the bit about setting bios to desired RAID settings & leaving AHCI.  What should be specified as the boot drives in that part, or changed?  Is it that once UEFI is set, exit that, and install Windows, and then, install or update device drivers?  Windows formats the drives during it's install, UEFI does that, or what?

Once MS Win is installed, then it's shut-off, connect up the HD, and presumably Windows formats that, etc, yes?

When/if should connecting to internet be part of the whole process?

Any further guidance appreciated, sorry for long post!

Thanks much! 




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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 3:35pm
""SATA3_0,1,2,3... (SSD's connected to top row, and bottom right of the Intel ports, leaving 4 & 5 for the HD & optical)""

Except try moving the ODD to the ASmedia port(s). No need of the ODD using a fast port when he ASMedia ones will do just fine with the SATA1 speed of the ODD.

Fans. Do not place he one with the switch on any of the MB's fan headers. You're right in your thinking. Power it instead from the PSU.

Remember, Windows Boot Manager will be the proper boot device, I think with RAID even.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 1:01am
WWPD? I didn't know I was famous or a role model... OMGosh if you really knew... Embarrassed

MORE than I could answer? Nice technique for getting my attention, I like it! Cool

You've identified the ASMedia ports just fine. You seem to know you can't use those for your RAID array, which is right.

About your first question: It really does not matter which numbered or order of the Intel SATA III ports you use for your RAID 10 array. Any RAID array on an Intel system is not tied to any particular Intel SATA ports when it is created. The Intel SATA ports could be changed to others not in use, or the data cable swapped randomly between Intel SATA ports, without any problems.

The only caveat to that would be when using an older Intel chipset board, such as a Z77 or earlier, that has a mix of SATA II and SATA III ports. Mixing the use of the two SATA port types would reduce the performance to SATA II, even if only one SATA II port was used. This is not an issue on a Z97 board.

To keep things orderly, you may choose any combination that makes sense to you, like 0, 3, 1, 4. But that is only for your sense of order or aesthetics. You don't need to worry about using SATA port 0 or whichever is considered first. There really is no hierarchy of which SATA port must be used, such as port 0 or 1 for the OS drive, or for an optical drive. That has even less meaning when multiple ports are used as in a RAID array.

About the optical drive, wardog's suggestion is a good idea. But some mother board manufactures don't suggest using the ASMedia or Marvell ports with optical drives. All you can do is try using the ASMedia port with your optical drive, and if it works fine, you're done.

The only considerations for your fan connections to the board depends on the control options for each fan header, and the power requirement of each fan. If the fan has a maximum power usage or more than 0.5A/6W, you may need to use a manual fan controller. If the fan control options are too simple on a particular header, you might look for other options.

I'm out of time now, off to work yet again. More later on your first post, and if you post more questions.





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Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 8:32am
Thanks guys, much appreciated! 

Fired things up -

All 4 dimms in, got Dr. Debug 55 & no video... tried different dimms in different slots, moved past the 55 error with dimms in B1 & B2, got Dr. Debug A6, and no video.  Removed/reinstalled vidcard 2-3 times, vidcard fans powered on and ran, no vid output from the card.  Tried vid from mb I/O which worked - prompt showed on monitor, put asrock disc in, it read it & then UEFI came up.

Vidcard installed, UEFI didn't show anything in PCIe2, so mb apparently wasn't recognizing that.  With the 55 error earlier, pulled dimms & cpu, reset cmos, reinstalled cpu, but saw I have a bent pin.  Best I could find a reference for, it's pin D34, which is VSS - found a post where somebody said vss is a ground pin.

A6 says "Problem related to IDE or SATA devices" - unplugged everything from the SATA ports, still get that message.

So - not sure what I'm missing doing -

MB apparently is:

Not recognizing memory on A1 & A2 dimm slots
Not recognizing vidcard on PCIe2 (haven't tried the other 8x PCIe slots yet)
Persistent Dr. Debug A6 error

And, I have a bent pin, no idea exactly what that affects.

Thoughts on anything to try for the 16x PCIe & A1/A2 memory slots?

Not sure I can get at it - but... try & straighten mb pin?
 
Pin pics -




Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 10:54am
OOmph. That's not good. Downright ugly actually, sorry to say.

I myself don't see anything or anybody fixing that pin. That's mangled.


See what the others have to say when they get here.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 10:57am
Wondering if the pin that is 30deg next to it, when the CPU is actually pressed down on the good pin if it's making contact with the mangled one.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 10:58am
In no particular order:

When you are seeing A6 on the Dr Debug display, you are using the UEFI UI, right?

If so, that is normal and not a problem. The last thing POST checks are the SATA and IDE devices. If you have a small POST beep speaker and the beep enabled in the UEFI, when POST completes successfully, you would hear the single POST Ok beep.

But if you start/go into the UEFI UI, you won't hear the POST beep. Why not? If you change any option(s), or simply select Save and Exit after just looking around, POST will be executed again. After changing some settings, POST might fail, due to some inappropriate memory settings, for example. But all the UEFI knows is you selected Save and Exit, at that point. So the UEFI/BIOS standard is to not announce that POST has completed successfully until it is impossible to enter the UEFI UI.

Some users would be confused if they heard the single POST Ok beep, but then were allowed to go into the UEFI/BIOS, change things, and when finished POST fails due to inappropriate settings.

Since POST did not "complete" when we enter the UEFI/BIOS UI, the last POST process code is displayed, normally A4 or A6. It may even be displayed after the POST Ok beep for a while. Sorry for the long explanation over this small detail, just trying to help you understand why it is not a problem, and make some sense of why you see that POST code.

I see you followed the instructions for POST code 55 to the letter. Sorry you found the bent pin, I can confirm that pin D34 is a VSS, or ground pin, one of many ground pins.

BUT I'm not sure that pin really is D34. I think it may be E34, which is a Vcc or CPU power pin. I think you started counting the 'B' row as the 'A' row. Picture below:



Your extreme close up picture shows two rows of indented gold pads, but if you look at your less zoomed in picture, and my picture, there is another further indented row, 'A', aligned horizontally with the triangle in the lower right corner of the picture. I might be wrong, but I think you are calling row 'B', row 'A'.

Again all of this may make no difference, if the Vcc pins are shared and comprise one Vcc input made of multiple Vcc pins. I suggest leaving that pin alone for a while at least, to see if you can get a clean start with at least 16GB of your memory.

I can't find any Corsair CMY memory in your board's Memory Support List, although Corsair states it is compatible with Intel 4th Generation processors like yours.

UEFI version 1.40 is old now, I know that came with your board. How can you update if you can't get into the UEFI? Well you can get into the UEFI with one DIMM? You could then update to UEFI 2.50 using Instant Flash that should have better memory compatibility. That could help wit h your memory problem.

Did you try using two DIMMs, one in A2 and B2, for dual channel memory? Be sure to clear the UEFI/BIOS EVERY TIME you switch memory around, that is a must!

The video card problem is odd, and may be related to the memory problem. The default video source is PCIe, or video card. When you try using the video card, you must have no cables connected to the I/O panel's video outputs. When you change video sources, another UEFI clear is needed!


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Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 12:48pm
Thanks again for all the very helpful insight, hopefully others may also find all this useful sooner or later!

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Wondering if the pin that is 30deg next to it, when the CPU is actually pressed down on the good pin if it's making contact with the mangled one.


I think it looks like it stands a reasonable chance of clearing it, the pic was taken just a bit off straight-overhead - at least as long as the cpu pushes straight-down on the pins.

Here's a noob question - popping the cpu in/out several times, is it ok to leave the thermal paste as a matter of convenience vs. cleaning it off and re-applying each time?  Obviously care must be taken not to get any on the cpu contacts.

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

When you are seeing A6 on the Dr Debug display, you are using the UEFI UI, right?


Yes! Thanks for the detail on how that works.

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

I think it may be E34, which is a Vcc or CPU power pin. I think you started counting the 'B' row as the 'A' row.


You're correct, I miss-counted - pic was as hi-rez as the camera would do, cropped off the first row editing the pic for the post, so, doht.  E34 it is!

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

I suggest leaving that pin alone for a while at least, to see if you can get a clean start with at least 16GB of your memory.


I can get in UEFI or to C:\> with 1 or two dimms in either B1 or B2; the UEFI correctly identifies the memory if it's in B1 &/or B2, hopefully that indicates the memory & cpu will play nice with each other.  It shows as 1333 in the UEFI, so I'm assuming that later, I'll have to manually set it in UEFI to 2133.  Figuring that's down the road, after getting everything working (even if it takes another mobo... although hopefully not mobo AND vidcard!)

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Did you try using two DIMMs, one in A2 and B2, for dual channel memory?  Be sure to clear the UEFI/BIOS EVERY TIME you switch memory around, that is a must!


I did, anything in A1 or A2 would show 55 error, & the mb would go into a reset loop.  BUT, I didn't clear UEFI/BIOS each time switching dimms around, didn't know to do that.

More noob questions,  is resetting CMOS what to do to clear UEFI/BIOS?  FWIW, the several times I exited UEFI, I didn't save any changes, it's only been "discard changes & exit".  I can re-try things clearing UEFI/BIOS between changes of course, just need to know how.  The CMOS reset button makes that about as easy as it gets, if reset CMOS=UEFI/BIOS clear.

I can certainly try the BIOS update; if memory is recognized in B1/B2 but not A1/A2, which is more likely, mobo (hardware) issue, or software (BIOS/UEFI) issue?

Quote When you try using the video card, you must have no cables connected to the I/O panel's video outputs. When you change video sources, another UEFI clear is needed!


Monitor came with two cables 1 HDMI, 1 digital video port (or something like that - rectangular plug with 1 corner sloped to half the height of the plug), tried the video port cable first on both card & I/O w/ no luck.  No UEFI clear between pulling/reinstalling vidcard.  Vidcard was plugged into mobo the first time UEFI installed/started, if that makes any difference.  Ultimately, HDMI cable worked thru mobo vid I/O.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 5:35pm
Thermal paste should never be re-used but instead an new application applied every time the HS is pulled away from the CPU.

If not you stand a very good chance of creating an air pocket trapped between the two. Air, as you know, isn't a good thermal transfer medium and so a big open pocket of air between them would usually show up in high temps on the CPU.


Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 1:18pm
Ok -

Updated the bios to 2.50 via USB drive plugged into USB1 using UEFI, installed successfully.  On a side note, the raptor mouse wasn't recognized and wouldn't work after the bios update (it did before), but an old microsoft USB mouse was recognized.

On the assumption CMOS reset = UEFI/BIOS clear, tried different memory in different slots.  Same as before, dimms in A1 &/or A2 yields 55 error and stops.  B1 &/or B2, boots up, can access UEFI, or C:\>.

The vidcard lives after all, using the other cable that fits the Asus monitor video port (vs hdmi).  But, not on 16x PCIe2, only in PCIe4 or PCIe5 slots.

Given the trashed socket pin, and no joy on A1/A2 dimm slots or PCIe2, I'm thinkin' it's time to swap in another mobo if things are to work as desired - any other suggestions before clicking the "buy" button?

Oh, ya - looks like the larger case fans are .24 amps, 2.88 watts, 12v.  Found the switch was for cosmetics, the front case fan has 4 leds, so it's a light switch.

As another aside, put on the stock cooler.  From the UEFI, looks like, at what I have to guess is basically cpu idling, the Noctua has the cpu running 20°C cooler (31°C vs 51°C).


Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 7:38am
Ok, update, & thanks again you guys for all your help!

Bought another mb, same one (Z97 Extreme6) -

Memory recognized in all dimm slots - the XMP profile for the memory seemed to work to get the memory to 2133 (UEFI shows memory target speed: 2133).

Oddly, mb recognized the graphics card in the PCIe2 slot initally and thru a number of reboots, then, nada.  I think the only difference was connecting the SSD's.  Powered off, plugged in the sata cables, reboot, video came up, got into UEFI, checked storage, and it showed the drives.  Didn't change anything in UEFI & exited, it booted, gave some error messages since the drives were blank, and booted from the optical drive.  Powered off & back on, and, no video.

Powered off, switched cable to mb I/O HDMI, got video that way.  Updated the bios from 2.40 to 2.50, reboot, no difference.  Weird.

Switched vidcard to PCIe4 slot, ta-da, HW monitor showed the slot occupied w/ card, @ x16.  Figured since that's also an x16 slot, vidcard should work @ x16 there, hopefully no differently than in PCIe2.

Didn't bend any mb pins this time either, yay. :p

Got RAID 10 setup using the intel raid utility, RAID setup wasn't showing in UEFI.  Installed 64-bit Windows 7 ok, next step getting vidcard driver, etc. going.

The fun part's over, now twiddling w/ getting the software working.

Here's a pic - tried to keep the cabling to the backside - the GPU is easier to lock into PCIe4 since it's not right next to the cooler, so that's a plus as long as it can do all that it should.



Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 10:26am
Where did you install Win 7, on the RAID 10 volume, or... ?

The PCIE4 x16 slot is electrically an x8 slot when one video card is being used. Check the specs here, in Expansion and Connectivity:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170%20Extreme4/?cat=Specifications" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170%20Extreme4/?cat=Specifications

No idea why the video card was not working in the PCIE2 slot. Possibly it was moved during the SSD installation, or the power cable was disturbed. I'd try it again, and clear the UEFI/BIOS anytime you move or change hardware like that.

Why would a UEFI update cause the video card to work if it the problem was a bad connection or a power problem?

The board will default to the onboard graphics if a video card cannot be found. If you have a cable connected to the onboard graphics, but want to use a video card, you must select that in the Chipset Configuration screen in the UEFI.

The Intel RAID utility will appear in the UEFI (assuming RAID is selected) only if:
  1. CSM is Enabled, and the Launch Storage OpROM Policy is set to UEFI Only.
  2. CSM is Disabled.
  3. Secure Boot is Enabled.
The ONLY one of these options you can use now is 1, assuming Windows was installed with CSM Enabled.

I'd say the fun part is not over yet, if you can't get the video card to work in the PCIE2 slot. Wink

BTW, your Noctua cooler is mounted upside down. The words "Noctua" on each of the two cooling fin sets is how I can tell.

NOT that it matters regarding the cooler's performance! I did that once... annoying! Ouch  Wink


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Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2016 at 7:46pm
Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Where did you install Win 7, on the RAID 10 volume, or... ?


Yes - setup the RAID 10 going by the "Guide to SATA Hard Disks
Installation and RAID Configuration" off the ASRock site.  I did enable CSM and set the Launch Storage OpROM Policy to UEFI Only, but after that, going back to the UEFI Advanced tab, it didn't show "Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology" to get to RAID setup.

The Intel RAID BIOS setup did come up after exiting UEFI, so went through those steps & setup the RAID.  Then installed Windows - had saved settings exiting UEFI, so as far as I know, CSM was enabled when Windows installed.

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

The Intel RAID utility will appear in the UEFI (assuming RAID is selected) only if:
  1. CSM is Enabled, and the Launch Storage OpROM Policy is set to UEFI Only.
  2. CSM is Disabled.
  3. Secure Boot is Enabled.
The ONLY one of these options you can use now is 1, assuming Windows was installed with CSM Enabled.


I assume you mean the only option I might use to get the RAID creation function to show in UEFI is 1, yes?  It would appear UEFI doesn't like me for that option, has deemed me unworthy, or has a nano-gnome somewhere in there saying ooooh no you don't , not unless you've got 2.2tb or more storage on those ssd's! (or, something like that Smile)

Best I can tell, everything's ok on the raid creation - the intel utility gave me a max stripe size of 64k and not 128k, haven't googled up that yet, although I imagine there's some arcane constraint having to do with how RAID 10 works.

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

The PCIE4 x16 slot is electrically an x8 slot when one video card is being used. Check the specs here, in Expansion and Connectivity:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170%20Extreme4/?cat=Specifications" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170%20Extreme4/?cat=Specifications


Mine's the Extreme6 mb, but, essentially the same specs.

From the same section for the Extreme6 as in your link:

Expansion / Connectivity

- 2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 Slots (PCIE2/PCIE4: single at x16 (PCIE2); dual at x8 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE4))

From what you're saying, the specs should be interpreted as "single GPU at x16 ONLY IN PCIe2", and "x8 (PCIE4)" = single GPU in PCIe4 runs x8, maximum.  Dual (linked) GPU's in PCIe2 and PCIe4 run x8, maximum.

The dual meaning of x16 here is a little confusing, I wasn't perceiving that "x16" in "2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 Slots" was a mere adjective of "Slots".  So, x16 is a physical characteristic of GPU cards and their slots, as well as a functional-speed descriptor.  I'll now make sure to note the difference with the presence of the code word "at", which denotes the speed at which the slot runs or is capable of delivering.  The marketing department must be fans of Abbott & Costello routines... LOL

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

I'd say the fun part is not over yet, if you can't get the video card to work in the PCIE2 slot. Wink


Misinterpreting specs aside... unfortunately, yeah, that blows my thought to take full advantage of the card running AT x16 in PCIe4!

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

No idea why the video card was not working in the PCIE2 slot. Possibly it was moved during the SSD installation, or the power cable was disturbed. I'd try it again, and clear the UEFI/BIOS anytime you move or change hardware like that.


No luck on that front so far... the SSD's were already in place.  I put this new mb in, installed the CPU, cooler, memory, GPU in PCIe2, and plugged everything in, including the sata cables.  I _unplugged_ the sata cables at the SSD end before 1st boot, so no drives would be connected.  Left the HD unplugged until after installing windows, so win would go on the RAID and not the HD.

So, the initial several boots, GPU was in PCIe2, connected to monitor with displayport cable, and UEFI system browser showed the slot populated, nvidia blah-blah-blah, was getting video out the card to the monitor.

It's possible the power cables to the GPU might have gotten disturbed, but they certainly didn't become unplugged or anything like that, and my hands weren't near them or the graphics card when I re-connected the sata cables into the backs of the ssd's, having left them plugged into the the mb sata ports.  Basically, not much got shuffled around there, physically, in the process of connecting the ssd sata cables.  Been using anti-static wristband, so nothing's gotten shocked, at least presumably, I assume I would have felt any static shocks.

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Why would a UEFI update cause the video card to work if it the problem was a bad connection or a power problem?

The board will default to the onboard graphics if a video card cannot be found. If you have a cable connected to the onboard graphics, but want to use a video card, you must select that in the Chipset Configuration screen in the UEFI
.


The 1st-time boot UEFI-perusal showed the Primary Graphics Adapter set to PCI Express.  Tried a few options there tonight, switching PGA to onboard VGA & back to PCI Express, removing/reinstalling GPU, cmos resets in-between, even tried switched to BIOS B (2.40) with all drives unplugged and GPU in PCIe2 which was the initial setup that had the GPU showing life in PCIe2 - no luck with any of that.  I'll see what else I can try.

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

BTW, your Noctua cooler is mounted upside down.


Yep, wasn't looking at that.... symmetry is my friend, in this instance! Smile


Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2016 at 3:17am
Update - No joy on getting 2nd mobo to recognize vidcard, so, exchanged for a 3rd mobo (which NewEgg did quickly enough).  Everything worked this time, UEFI recognized memory, vidcard, etc.  Got the RAID 10 setup & installed Win 7.  Win 7 wasn't seeing the 2nd hard drive, found it in disk management, got it formatted & a drive letter assigned, then could see 2nd hd no problem.

Had to jump through a few hoops to upgrade to Win 10 though - online from the Microsoft Win 10 website seemed to hang at checking for updates.  Had downloaded Win10 ISO & media creation tool on this old XP laptop, media creation tool wouldn't run since it didn't have all files needed.  After figuring out that I couldn't copy the 4gb iso file to 8gb flash drive because it was formatted fat32 instead of NTFS & using new pc to reformat it to NTFS, was able to copy the iso & media creation tool to the new pc & then run it to create bootable Win 10 install on the flash drive.  Tried to upgrade Win 7 that way, & it hung up at 25% done & 86% files copied.  Soo.... resorted to deleting and recreating the raid 10 and installing Win 10 fresh instead of upgrade, and that install method worked, had Win 7 Ultimate, the key for that worked to activate the Win 10 Pro install.

I didn't get as far as installing ASRock utilities on Win 7, but on Win 10, the A-Tuning utility & GeForce Experience utility can access the net & search for new drivers, but seem to be hanging up in Win 10.  A-Tuning driver check seems stuck on "Initializing...." & GeForce shows newest driver, but clicking download goes as far as a progress message of "downloading driver", but, nothing's downloading.

The other Win 10 issue - can't find the 2nd hard drive at all.  It shows in UEFI bios, and did the Win 10 install to the Raid 10 with the 2nd hd sata cable unplugged so Windows would only install to the Raid - once Win 10 installed plus some of utilities off the ASRock disk, powered off, re-plug 2nd hd sata cable, reboot, and can't find it showing in disk management.  Don't know if there's any other Win 10 "app" to access that might find it.  Since I formatted it in Win 7, don't know why Win 10 wouldn't recognize it at least as being part of the system.

So - first, thanks very much again for all the help on the hardware side!

- & 2nd, moving on to the software side, any suggestions on the Win 10 issues?


Posted By: ADuquequax
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 12:11pm
Found an answer for getting Win10 to see the 2nd HDD off Windows/MS tech support forums -

Method one suggested here worked: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-does-not-recognize-my-second-hard-drive/11f1cf28-0320-4a5e-aabb-e66e13a7526b?auth=1

Previous 'scan for hardware changes' from device or disk manager didn't work, but the above did, maybe it forces different type of scan or parameters or something, have no idea.

In any case, the 4tb Seagate then showed as drive D: so, that problem, solved!

No difference on the utilities working to initialize or download drivers, but relatively speaking, a minor issue, such drivers can be updated manually.



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