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Topic: CPU package temperature / FM2A88M Extreme4+ R2.0
Posted By: SLA
Subject: CPU package temperature / FM2A88M Extreme4+ R2.0
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 4:34am
" rel="nofollow - I have motherboard FM2A88M Extreme4 + R2.0 and shows me high CPU package temperatures above 90 ° C under a load and about 50 ° C in idle ...

in same time
A-tuning shows CPU temperature about 33 ° C and in the load does not exceed 55 °C.

It's a mistake, or is it ok  temperatures?
Cooling paste is applied well, Wraith cooler cools the CPU Athlon x4 880K enough ...

Sorry for my bad English, thank you!



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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 4:52am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SLA SLA wrote:

I have motherboard FM2A88M Extreme4 + R2.0 and shows me high CPU package temperatures above 90 ° C under a load and about 50 ° C in idle ...


Your English is just fine.

Where / in what do you see the package at 90 and idle at 50 ?


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 4:56am
...for example in HWinfo, AIDA64...
Displayed temperatures are the same for all applications...


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 5:05am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SLA SLA wrote:

...for example in HWinfo, AIDA64...
Displayed temperatures are the same for all applications...


And these apps are all current and up to date ?


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 5:07am
Yes, the latest version


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 5:26am
" rel="nofollow - Electronics should tolerate these temperatures, right or not?
I read somewhere that electronics are built for temperatures around 100 ° C, but I have some concerns ...


Thank You!


Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 5:33am
" rel="nofollow - The processer you have should be no more than 63 underload. It is fm2+ CPU so I would use amd overdrive to get temps as this is a new socket, some readings can be way off on hwmonitor etc I'm guessing these have improved as my a10 6800k showed up in hwmonitor as -27 deg

But any how you sir are running hot way to hot , yes these can take high temps but don't expect it to last forever
100 deg and your PC will shut down to self protect if not before or your CPU explodes.
What is your cooling ATM? Water / air

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fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 5:38am
I use cooler supplied with the processor, so the Near Silent solution from AMD (like a Wraith cooler), he should have a sufficiently powerful CPU temperature ... turn out to be correct, the only high temperature is the item called "package CPU temperature," which scares me a little ... :-) but PC works perfectly ... maybe i only wasting your time ... if yes, sorry guys... :-)


Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:01am
" rel="nofollow - I did have a look at that stock cooler, it was reviewed with a 8370 and got no more than 70 underload. I would be double checking all, even triple checking.

This CPU cooler will/should do for stock speeds but don't expect anything great. You most certainly won't be able to over clock at all.

Make sure you only run one temp monitor per time. Check you have not applied to much paste. It is seated correctly and the fan is in the correct 3-4pin plug. honestly use amd overdrive for temps mine were well off in all others.

If you have triple checked all. take the side off your case and place a huge desk fan blowing in does it improve?

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fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:11am
Post a screenie of where you observe 90 and 50, please.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:14am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Post a screenie of where you observe 90 and 50, please.


While waiting for your pic(s) I'll fire up my Extreme9/9590 and poke in those two programs. It's been some time since building it and maybe I can "see' what you see.


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:14am
" rel="nofollow - Thanks for the reply.

The box cooler should be sufficient quad core x4 880Km - thermal paste is applied, I hope I'm right, I did it a few times in the past, and 4pin connector is OK. Cooler works, that's for sure.
Can I buy a new cooler, for example SilentiumPC Fera3, I was thinking about it.

On the motherboard are all connected OK, so about the only thing i can try is a new thermal paste, or a new cooler or both... or this "problem" to ignore when my computer is working well ... :-)

Do you agree?

Thank you


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:18am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Post a screenie of where you observe 90 and 50, please.


pic here:
http://tinypic.com/r/350th6c/9" rel="nofollow - http://tinypic.com/r/350th6c/9

thank you!


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:24am
I go to sleep, friends, I'll be back again tomorrow. Thank you for understanding. Have a nice day.


Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 6:27am
" rel="nofollow - As you can see from the graphs 100% load and your temp is still going up.

It is not bad but it is not good ether. What type of paste did you apply? better quality would help but I don't think it would solve your issue the stock heatsink and fan just let the temp keep going up. So I'm guessing there at full speed also

I would get a better fan heatsink if paste doesn't work.

On a good quality fan/heatsink and new paste. your temp line should dip slightly at the 70 mark ,go up a bit (this is a good fan picking the right speed) then eventually it would stay almost level at 63-70. this is not happening

On a day to day basis you ain't going to hit 100% load this is why it runs fine. Try to convert a blue ray this will eat up your CPU and push it to 100% for a long time ,just an example thou. I would not run any games for very long or give it to much work to do. Till new stuff arrives


Do you see the point at which your fan speed kicks in at full? The dip? Then it just keeps going up regardless this is what I mean. In your case the temps were fine before you gave it 100% load at 67 deg c. Your fan just gave up at that point near close to 85 deg and you almost lost your CPU to it

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fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 2:14pm
" rel="nofollow - thank you for answer.

I used the Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound, which is probably sufficient effect.
I think it is applied well, because the CPU is in an idle 32-33 ° C at 30% speed (851 rpm) and the load temperatures do not go over 57 ° C when the fan is 60% = 1296 rpm.

Cooling curve setting is 30 ° C = 30%, 50 ° C = 55%, 65 ° C = 80%, 70 °C = 100 % rpm, and I think it cools well, in full load heatpipe are warm / hot to the touch correspond to these temperatures.

OK, what's next ... I try to apply new paste, though it does not help so buy Fera 3 and try what happens with temperatures, OK?

Thank you!


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 2:27pm
and even attach a picture from this morning, the temperature without CPU load
http://tinypic.com/r/wcntpt/9" rel="nofollow - http://tinypic.com/r/wcntpt/9

but I had the open window near computer , so the PC flowing air at 13 ° C ... Smile

and after few minutes, ambient temperature 18 °C (after i close the window) Smile
http://tinypic.com/r/20gch7m/9





Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Post a screenie of where you observe 90 and 50, please.


some pics, thank you very much for you help!

and even attach a picture from this morning, the temperature without CPU load
http://tinypic.com/r/wcntpt/9" rel="nofollow - http://tinypic.com/r/wcntpt/9

but I had the open window near computer , so the PC flowing air at 13 ° C ... Smile

and after few minutes, ambient temperature 18 °C (after i close the window) Smile
http://tinypic.com/r/20gch7m/9



Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 7:53pm
" rel="nofollow - yes get a better quality heatsink and fan.

the more you spend on cooling the better this chip will run.
check a few reviews on coolers and make sure you pick the right one.
usually in the computer world i follow rule "check twice buy once" and it has served me well.

look at the overall design of the heat sink
Air

best:-               Noctua flagship model NH-D15 (see this is best so get a copy of design)      £75
med: -                   Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (copy of NH-D15 but way smaller)   £25
worst:-                   wraith cooler        free


water
all perform very good compared to air A++++ on comparison to air 

best:-  custom loop  £200+
worst:-  Kúhler H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler   £40

so combine the table Air + water

best :-     custom loop £200+
H20 650 liquid cooler £40
NH-D15 £75
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO             £25
worst:- wraith cooler    £0

another free option is to under clock cpu but then performance would drop so would not recommend doing this.





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fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 11:38pm
thanks for help! Smile

ordered this Fera 3 https://www.alza.co.uk/silentiumpc-spartan-3-pro-he1024-d4076311.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.alza.co.uk/silentiumpc-spartan-3-pro-he1024-d4076311.htm
will shipped tomorrow. i think Fera 3 is good enough for me with low noise (21 dB) and good efficiency.

if it helps we see tomorrow... Smile ill write here some conclusion

Many thanks!


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 12:06am
Originally posted by SLA SLA wrote:

and even attach a picture from this morning, the temperature without CPU load
http://tinypic.com/r/wcntpt/9" rel="nofollow - http://tinypic.com/r/wcntpt/9

but I had the open window near computer , so the PC flowing air at 13 ° C ... Smile

and after few minutes, ambient temperature 18 °C (after i close the window) Smile
http://tinypic.com/r/20gch7m/9


TY. Let me fire the ol girl up and (re-?)install HWiNFO for some comparisons.

But from those two HWiNFO pics I don't think you have much at all to worry about.



Hang tight for a couple three hours, as my Wife has plans for me this am. Shopping, I can hardly wait... NOT. What she calls shopping I call being drug around by my nose.







Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 1:15am
i found this at TomsHW, what you think about it?

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-2122665/understanding-temperature-amd-cpus-apus.html


Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 1:40am
Originally posted by SLA SLA wrote:

thanks for help! Smile

ordered this Fera 3 https://www.alza.co.uk/silentiumpc-spartan-3-pro-he1024-d4076311.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.alza.co.uk/silentiumpc-spartan-3-pro-he1024-d4076311.htm
will shipped tomorrow. i think Fera 3 is good enough for me with low noise (21 dB) and good efficiency.

if it helps we see tomorrow... Smile ill write here some conclusion

Many thanks!

looks 100 % better. the heat pipes on the wraith cooler just dont seem to do much and because of the short profile. This will draw heat far away from the cpu and perform much better. although this cpu is 4ghz so expect some heat. 

http://i.imgur.com/9VAmyj9.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/9VAmyj9.jpg under a thermal img cam the guy/ women who tested didnt want to risk much because all the heat was still far to close to the board. 

this is how your new cooler would work just in case you were unsure of which way to put it.
http://i.imgur.com/6ANZoqZ.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/6ANZoqZ.jpg

hang tight thou for a few hours get theses temps compared heres something to consider not much difference other than fin spred

Model:AMD Wraith CoolersilentumNoctua NH-L9a
Weight:455g466g465g
Dimensions:92 x 92 x 25 mm110mm(L) x 82,5mm(W) x 135mm(H)37 x 114 x 92 mm
Fan Airflow:60 CFM55,7 CFM34 CFM
Fan Speed:3200 RPM800 -2000 RPM +/- 10%2500 RPM
Fan Noise Level:37 dBA8,9 ~ 21 dBA23.6 dBA
Cooling Fans:1x 92mm 100 x 100 x 25mm1x 92mm
Heatpipes:442
Input Power:3.84 W
2.52 W
Fin Count:50
55
Fin Thickness:0.33mm0.44



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fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 2:32am
thank you very much for your help! Clap


Posted By: SLA
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2017 at 11:38pm
So I finally bought Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO+ and temperature are the same as the Wraith cooler - in idle 33 °C, in load are less than with Wraith - now less than 50 °C. I mean temperatures CPU. So I believe that the high temperatures of CPU package are just mistakenly calculated as at the socket FM2 + often mentioned in discussions.

But the positive thing is that the computer is with this cooler really quiet ... :-)

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me for your time and willingness, have a nice time!



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