new bios versions out (dont rush)

https://arstechnica.com/business/2014/12/anandtech-snapped-up-by-parent-company-of-toms-hardware-and-laptopmag/

http://www.purch.com/


Objectivity is the first thing lost from being held by a conglomerate. Revenue, revenue, revenue!

Still attempting to score a point, eh? parsec, no need...the 'reality' is it? The 'reality' then is simple. A customers experience with a product directly relates to a consumer view of that 'Brand Name', as well as the response from that 'Brand Name' when issues arise.

In this case... it is not 'hardware related' that is developing a view that is negative, actually the hardware has received very positive views. It is 'UEFI/Bios related'...that is not. See, simple? Reality. Even if it never is accepted by you. That won't bother me a bit. Nor do I need your approval to view the 'reality' of what garners a negative experience with many customers in the 'here and now'. And your attempt to 'label' something I say as a 'generality' is on the immature side of debating an issue. Again... yes specifically... not in some generality... the UEFI/Bios is what can and is developing a negative view among some, especially when compared to other Brands who are having great(er) success with DDR4 compatibility, higher speeds and BCLK adjustments.

Try as you may, I will never need your approval on what is specific or reality. Just a...specific fact of reality.

And please...It was a bit entertaining when I read some words that to me are completely, entirely disingenuous. They were... "If my comments as a moderator are automatically suspect and have an agenda, then what can I do to alleviate that?"

parsec, I have grasped all 'I need know' about you as a Moderator. Nothing more required.





Edited by Kevin A - 07 May 2017 at 9:19am

Well, the new Bios did have another area to change the DDR4 basic timings and the ProcODT Impedance that can reduce signal feedback at higher speed DDR frequencies.

I'm still @2400Mhz CAS 12 after scores of attempts to even get 1 stick @2666. Perhaps I'll have better success after AMD releases new updates this month to the manufacturers. I nevertheless sent in a Tech support ticket to AsRock to address the missing 'Command Rate' being displayed in the UEFI, as well as it needs to be configurable. Hopefully the ticket gets some kind of attention. It would also be nice if the AsRock UEFI also displayed the FSB:Dram ratio to assist those who manually configure DDR4 timings and such.

I think this month may be a big month for Ryzen owners if AMD/Mobo manufacturers work out at least some of the DDR4 and UEFI settings/options issues. Now back to some CPU OC'ing...

wardog wrote: twf85 wrote: It all boils down to public perception. People buy ASRock because you can achieve many of the same things as any other top tier board manufacturer, but at a lower cost. Review sites lean towards what they "sell' to the uninformed masses. And that's what they are doing, selling. Sadly, to drive advertising income via page views, I "get' that. I switched to ASRock after taking a long view at what I'm getting for my money compared to other boards. I have no regrets. In some curve ball way the Review sites I feel are doing their readers a disservice "pimping' for other board manufacturers. Hence the results at Rymem's ratings. Public(uninformed) perception ........... Buying with your eyes and brain closed.

While I generally agree with your comment about review sites leaning towards brands they sell, it cuts both ways as evident when you go to a manufacturers website and see links to the reviews which hold their product in high regard.

The only way to get a good feel for a product is to get a good cross section of information before buying it. It's hard to find unbiased opinions but if you read up enough reviews, user comments and technical articles you can generally get a good idea of a product's strengths and weaknesses.

Well I've downloaded and installed the new 2.20 BIOS for the X370 Taichi and had another play with trying to get my RAM to run above 2400 but without any success. I do like the inclusion of the ProcODT setting in the new BIOS even though I was unsuccessful in using it to get my RAM speeds up.

Regarding the comments about BIOS support, it does appear that ASUS has a more active community when it comes to tweaking settings and making changes to their BIOSes for their users. I expect part of the push for that comes from their ROG branding strategy to gain more people who are into the overclocking of their PCs.

My previous PC ran the ASUS Crosshair V Formula with an FX-8350 which I had running between 4.8 and 5.1 GHz, so I have experience with their BIOSes and overclocking settings. When I chose to upgrade to my new Ryzen 1700 I did look initially at purchasing their new Crosshair VI but after reading a number of reviews I decided the Asrock X370 Taichi was the better board from a hardware component perspective. I'm sure Asrock will "catch-up" with their BIOS options but I personally much prefer the slow and steady approach to BIOS releases to ensure as safe and as stable a platform as possible.

Probably one thing I would like to see is release notes with each BIOS release so people can see what exactly has been changed / added / removed. This would alleviate people's conjecture on what exactly each new BIOS has addressed.


Edited by TooQik - 06 May 2017 at 2:39pm