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theDUD3
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Posted: 25 Aug 2017 at 8:58am |
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^ Nice!
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theDUD3
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Ok so I had about an hour of idle time so I decided to try and lower my VCore a bit so here are the results, PState0 voltage @ 1187500.
1. Offset 0.062500 = 1.2500 stable 2. Offset 0.037500 = 1.2250 stable 3. Offset 0.012500 = 1.2000 unstable |
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In my case: (PState0 1187500 ) + (VCore Offset 0.11250) = 1.3 VCore I know could go lower but I was too lazy to test lower offset values. lol.
Hope this helps. :) Edited by theDUD3 - 22 Aug 2017 at 3:13pm |
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Ok, great, thanks! I do have one more question.
VCore mode of Offset is not a default as I recall, but that doesn't matter. Is the Offset voltage set to Auto? I'm just trying to see if the default PState0 VID for a 1700 is 3a (1.1875V), which is quite different than my 1700X whose PState0 VID is 20 (1.35V). I've changed settings in OC Tweaker, that can affect PState0, so I need to clear the UEFI and start over. Forgot to say earlier, Turbo must be enabled by default, there is no option to disable/enable it. Intel over clocking boards normally have that option. Your VCore seems to be above the PState VID value, unless both HWMonitor and CPU-Z are reading the processor VID. I was going to say 3700MHz below a VCore of 1.2V is great, but ~1.3V is not bad at all. You are demonstrating how simple it is to OC Ryzen. Just set PState0 to Custom, enabling it. Very little set in OC Tweaker for the OC, just VCore mode to Offset. If you set CPU Frequency and Voltage Change to Manual, and set the CPU Frequency above the normal Turbo speed, that will also change the Frequency in PState0. So an easy way to change the frequency, without changing the FID and DID. If the VID is then not enough, just select an Offset Voltage on OC Tweaker, with the + key. |
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Edited by theDUD3 - 22 Aug 2017 at 10:29am |
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Did you configure anything in PState0, besides setting it to Custom?
Did you configure anything for the processor (speed, VCore) in the OC Tweaker screen? If not, the core speed in PState0 was set to 3700MHz by default? Interesting you get the down clocks you do with Cool n Quiet disabled. Any idea what the crazy low Minimum core clock speeds in HWMonitor are about? We can't see what the BCLK readings are in the HWMonitor information, which tends to wander a bit on ASRock Ryzen boards that don't have a BCLK setting. Your max core speed is over 3800MHz, which could be due to a slightly higher BCLK. We can see the affect of a lower BCLK in the CPU-Z information. |
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Here's my OC results using PState (no crashes, freezes in 3 weeks)
OC = 3.7Ghz (cores go beyond that, turbo may still be kicking in) Cool and Quiet = Enable CState = Auto or Enable (if set to Disable downclocks don't go down that much) PState0 = custom all the rest set to Auto Minimum Power State = 40% (5% to 41% same downclocks, 42% to 70% = 2460Mhz, 71% to 90 = no downclocks) Edited by theDUD3 - 22 Aug 2017 at 10:24am |
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I want to say first that my goal is NOT to prove something is true or false, but simply to learn how PStates work and how they are related to the Windows Power Plan, and other things like the Ryzen CPU power saving options Cool n Quiet and C6 C State.
I set the OC Tweaker OC Mode to Auto, and only had the PState0 configured with my OC of 3925MHz. PState0 is set to Custom, all others on Auto. I set the VCore in OC Tweaker to Offset mode, 1.35V, with an offset voltage of 0.00625V. That is close if not exactly how your PState0 is configured, and I'm not sure what you have configured for VCore in the OC Tweaker screen. You seem to have done that via the FID. With Minimum Processor state set to 10% with the configuration above, I only get three core speeds, or core multiplier values, as shown in HWiNFO. The multipliers are 39.25, 22, and 19.625. I have screenshots of HWiNFO showing the multipliers and core power usage, but the image hosting site I use is not working so I'll post those soon. With Minimum Processor state set to 90% with the configuration above, I only get one core speed and core multiplier value, the 39.25 multiplier. I did a further test, setting several PStates to Custom, up to the 800MHz speed PState. The result at 10% and 90% Processor State were the same as only using PState0 set to Custom. So, interesting that I only get three core speeds so far, the lowest being 1962.5MHz. I have some information from the HWiNFO sensor display that seems to show lower core power usage at the lower Minimum Processor state value than at the higher value. That may simply be due to less (unseen) core throttling at the higher Minimum Processor state, but we need to look at the data first before making any decisions. |
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Hi, bold quotes answered below: Yes, I have Cool&Quiet and C6 states enabled in UEFI. Yes, I use HWinfo64, not Windows. I'm not at my PC now, I'll check at night when at home and give you my findings. I remember I read somewhere Ryzen has advanced power savings and clock gates which work internally without exposing changes to monitoring programs due to the speed those power changes happens, but take it with a grain of salt because it's not official words. I think this plan disables the lower power states and core parking, hence the name, but not sure if it changes frequencies by altering the minimum. I'll check it at night. Cheers.
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