ram LIFE aging. Ryzen cpu must lucky for DDR4???

PatriotVipers wrote:  So, ASRock AM4 motherboards advertising memory speeds @ 3200MHz with an overclock are obviously not for Intel. Unless you were talking just about the rated speed of the memory chips themselves.

the rated speed of the ram sticks is rated for an intel system, xmp is intel (extreme memory profile)
the issue is these sticks have a firmware designed for intel bios and cpu, when you place them in an amd system it trys to use the data to its best ability...and in the early am4 bios it didnt do it very well

Edited by PatriotVipers - 25 Apr 2018 at 7:55am

I THINK

and its not 100%

but i think hardware monitor tab says the soc as well, on my taichi anyway

im running 1.05v soc
seems after initial release higher soc overall would be backwards step for stability, i used to run 1.15 but no need now and some guys said they had less stable systems on higher soc volts than with mild increase

PatriotVipers wrote: @daytonyb, 1) What is it about Samsung B-dies that make it so special though. What is the characteristic? If you've already PAID for memory that is labelled on the package @ a rated speed, why isn't that good enough? I've called this stuff out as being like playing the "lottery" on other forums. The mod got his panties all up in a bunch and said I was trolling. I'm not trolling. If you buy memory rated @ XXXXMHz that memory should run @ XXXXMHz, no ifs and or buts!!! Assuming, 100% of course, that your CPU and your motherboard supports that speed, which mine do! 2) What do you mean by "decent CPU memory controller"? That scares the hell out of me again because it sounds like a lottery. If I buy an AMD 2200G CPU that "officially" supports dual-channel memory @ 2933MHz then by definition, the memory controller is already "assumed" to be decent, is it not? Isn't the MC you speak of literally on the same die as the CPU? 3) It just angers me again when somebody calls the B350 a budget board. Yes, it's a budget board but, none the less, it's been designed to run memory @ up to 3200MHz via OC. So far, this is the only step that doesn't completely depend on fate but it's still ridiculous since the whole reason I bought a B350 (over the A320M) was to be able to overclock. The B350 has been proven incapable of delivering smooth and stable power? God, I feel like I've been had if this is the case. How does one relate this knowledge to step #4? 4) I have a Cosair CX 430 on my system. I don't have a discrete graphics card in the system so it should be more than enough power. But how can one tell if it's smooth and stable? Are there tools I can buy or just read some reviews or what bullet points do I look for on the specs? I want my Patriot Vipers to run at their rated speeds of 3000MHz (or 2933/2934MHz since it's not an Intel system, whatever) and I want it to do so for weeks and weeks without Windows crashing. Not just a few hours or days.

point 1 samsung b dies are just made chips with better design and tolerances and heres the point
in INTEL high end system with unlocked cpus can and invariably does overclock much higher than even the box label my initial set of ram for example 3200cl15 had been tested as a brand/model to clock upto 4ghz in ryzen i got stable 3333cl14,my new ram 3866cl18 runs at 3466cl14 on ryzen, im sure it can run well over 4000 on intel , but hey if i put it in a lower end motherboard it wouldnt
here is the second point your missing the advertised box speed is an overclock 'tuned' for intel not amd and uses intels 'matured' age old bios formulas on basically a time and time again rehashed release of an old chip example intel 7th gen and intel 8th gen, no ipc advantage so for any given clock speed the same cpu performance amd is maturing its bios and experiance of a whole new design of cpu ,intel didnt get it right first time when they start using new tech like ddr3 and then ddr4. the speed you see on the box is the speed it does in an intel system ,buy amd branded ram and then your'll have a point, its sounds harsh but thats the facts im afraid

point 2
yes it is a lottery ,but only in as far as overclocking beyond design specs so yes with for example gskill flarex if you buy 2933 than that should work at xmp 2933 (you may find depending on bios though it may make a few wrong assumptions as to what to set so may need tweaking) and by that i mean in my experiance msi as a rule tend to tolerate more ram brands/models than asrock,although things should by now be much better than first few months of am4,if your ram is on the qvl it means more than they just chucked it in and it boots ,it means they tested and recorded its xmp data and have included in bios instructions to know what to set its timings at, but some memory controllers by luck are far better than others so some guys find they can run ram at higher overclocks with one cpu and not another identical cpu , and no the mc isnt on the core its on the cpu assembly and is part of the 'uncore'

point 3 what can i say b350 can and mostly is a budget board although some can be very feature and mechanically rich with over engineered vrm and cooling, most however will not be ,a vast amount of the initial b350s didnt even have heatsinks on the vrm, sorry mate but that is BUDGET,dont get me wrong theres a lot of x370 that are budget boards...........

point 4 and lets be fair now this is taking a lot of my time to answer you
the corsiar cx range isnt a bad choice i have a cx430 here in a system , but its not anything winning any awards .its on the side of budget for a wise man ,meaning its deemed safe enough not to damage anything when it goes wrong, but reading proper detailed reviews is the only way to rate a psu tested for maximum current before tripping out smoothness of power delivery etc ,design of build ,quaility of the guy building it eg soldering etc, and choice of componants fitted to it
eg the capacitors etc
i myself am faced often with a system build that hasnt got the money for gold rated psu so i have to find the best bargain in the 40 ish dollers/pounds range and then i narrow down known brands and go hunt reviews for them , and by that forget about some random post from user called ihatecorsiar  becuase his blew up last decade i read reviews from tech channels that have decent test gear to actually provide reasoned comparisions to other psu in that price range and comparable results

im afraid to say your never going to avoid the word 'BUDGET' because unless your spending £1000,s your buying on a budget  it can be a very good budget or it could be the tightest budget

but to a degree and im not implying you have done so ,but the old saying buy cheap-buy twice will apply,in this case the example would be things like no name 15 doller psu's etc etc

Edited by PatriotVipers - 24 Apr 2018 at 8:45am