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Why this idle-crash happened? Where it happened? Below is my theory.

- The cause is PI (Power Integrity). Killer is power surge.
- When power surges beyond hardware capability, core supply drops below CPU needs, then CPU crashes. In Windows, this is Kernel-Power event 41.
- Disabling C-State means eliminating power surge, i.e., the switching from low to high power state. High to low power transition doesn't lower core voltage to below required.
- What's hardware capability? These are system power supply, CPU power stage surrounding CPU, motherboard decoupling caps below CPU socket, and on-die cap on CPU package. Out of all these, considering CPU power surge frequency, the only thing matters is CPU on-die cap. A 5000w PSU can't help because it's too far away (large inductance) from where the surge happens.
- That's why we need to lower power surge by setting a power cap for CPU, i.e., PPT, TDC, EDC.
- It's CPU model dependent. Also, no two CPU's are the same.
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Being struggling with this idle-crash issue for days. Didn't know that I have to deal with basic stability issue with such an expensive motherboard. If BIOS needs so many special parameters for AMD CPU, Ryzen 9 7950x in my case, why can't those be automatically applied to begin with?

The basis of BIOS is a reliable platform, then allow OC or tweaking, right? I think AsRock needs to have a serious thought.
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Glad to hear!
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Quote turning off "global c state" greatly improves stability. also try manually lowering the ppt edc tdc tpm.



Yes, it work very good!
Thank you buttabean!!

48 + hours system is stable on 1.21, no restarts.

All UEFI settings on my X760E Steel Legend:

OC Tweaker\ Perfomance Preset -> PBO Enabled

DRAM Profile Setting - XMP1



Advanced\ AMD Overclocking\ Presition Boost Overdrive:

Presition Boost Overdrive -> Advanced
PBO Limits -> Manual
PPT - 185000
TDC - 145000
EDC - 190000
Platform Thermal Throttle Limit - 90

Advanced\ AMD Overclocking\ Presition Boost Overdrive\ Curve Optimizer:
Curve Optimizer -> All Cores
All Core Curve Optimizer Sign -> negative
All Core Curve Optimizer Magnitude -> 38

Advanced\ AMD CBS\ CPU Common Options:
Global C-State -> Disable

Advanced\ AMD CBS\ NBIO Common Options\ GFX Configuration:
iGPU Configuration -> iGPU Disabled
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turning off "global c state" greatly improves stability. also try manually lowering the ppt edc tdc tpm.

My system is rock solid running 1.21 with ppt 180000, edc 190000, tdc 140000 -38 all cores. tpm 90c. I get close to peak performance without it ramping to 95c. in games it doesn't go past 60c and with rendering it's below 90c. Benchmarks show just as fast results.

ran y-crunch for 30 hours no prob. If that doesn't help try loosening up your memory timing.
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Same problem here - I just built a new system with a Ryzen 7950x and x670e Taichi on the latest BIOS 1.21, and I am getting random restarts after a cold boot.

I do not get a BSOD, just a black screen and hard restart happening mostly just after logging in to Windows (after <1 min), or very rarely when system is idle. After restarting, the system is quite stable, also passing synthetic benchmarks.

What can be done to resolve the issue?
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Originally posted by Vladimir-M Vladimir-M wrote:

After installation Thermalright frame for AM5 socket, 10 days no restarts.


Ah, after 11 days stable work, it restart again ((
Will try new BIOS 1.20.AS01 [Beta]
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After installation Thermalright frame for AM5 socket, 10 days no restarts.
AsRock X670E Steel Legend
Ryzen 7 7700x
Kingston FURY Beast Black [KF548C38BBK2-64] 64Gb
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 Ti GAMING OC 8G
SSD Samsung M.2 990 PRO 1TB
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I am still getting a crash/reboot with latest Windows 11 almost immediately after a cold boot with unresponsive keyboard/mouse.

Remains stable after that including reboots.

I have tried everything including turning off iGPU, turning off Global C state, disabling thunderbolt etc etc. Tried all BIOS versions from 1.07 to 1.18.

Anybody know what is causing this issue?
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Originally posted by lsunsi lsunsi wrote:

I created an account just to say I have the same motherboard and tried updating to all BIOS since 1.11.AS03 (even though they keep getting removed from the download page). The issue I get is always the same, restart stops working (reboot just hangs) and I get random crashes/freezes very consistently on linux a few minutes after boots. I always revert back to 1.11.AS043, but I wish to keep latest BIOS. Is there anything I can do? Is my problem related to what you folks are seeing?


I know you're running linux but I was experiencing reboots on windows when blender would do the compositing(cpu portion) of the render. This wouldn't happen at first but over time. 30 minutes? I noticed in hwinfo that it would spike super fast to 95c so I think the system was becoming unstable due to the quick spike. I'm on a open loop so I know it's not a lack of cooling issue.

After I set a limit of 85c with the curve -20 offset, the crashes all went away. I now can even use the -40 present with 1.18 and it's stable. I have two 32gig ddr5600 running at 6000mhz. skhynix m die.
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