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Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 3:59am

i'm on x470TU + 3950x my cpu is capped at 3733 and yes i can run my kits 3733 cl 14 on current 470 bios it didn't fare well on 460 (3600 cl 14) and 462 3200 (cl 14)

i'm guessing your main problem is surely using 4 sticks of ram its really hard on the imc

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Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 3:22am

Intuitive....that's the word I was looking for. And that says it all.
This mobo in particular truly would deserve it.
Ok, .....we are strictly talking about BIOS UI's.
Imo ...how good a BIOS UI is can not depend on how familiar you, me or all others are to that manufacturer's design. Thousends of different BIOSes call the same thing with different names, for example the uncore (L3 cache of the CPU) frequency can also be called mesh frequency and ring frequency. So how do i know and Asrock uses douzens of abbreviations and the up-popping hint box does not tell me a lot.
Was it such a big problem to built a DUAL BIOS UI (Pro/Non-Pro) for an 1000$ Mobo that satisfies both the 24/7 enthusiast and also the user who works from 9 to 5£ Was it really such a big problem to implement within the BIOS UI a unique Built In Test Equipment or Feature or Benchmark that is capable of delivering base, best or initial OC settings£
To be fair: In terms of flexibility this UI is a milestone but far from being transparent , far from easy to use, far from being easy to understand, far from easy navigation and far from being easy on the eyes for someone like me who has seen and worked with more than 20 different BIOS UI´s. It is asking too much for me.

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Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 10:09pm

Xaltar wrote:

The simple truth is that the system is only required to operate at the
frequency supported by the CPU's IMC. Anything beyond that is technically an
overclock.

I for one would love to see manufacturers implement a one click option that enables
the IMC's rated frequency on any RAM installed, as an alternative to XMP using
minimalistic timings and voltages that are likely to work on just about any kit.

With DDR5 on the horizon now, this will all hopefully become moot soon. One would
hope everyone learned their lesson from the DDR4 fiasco.

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Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 10:03pm

So what you are saying is:
You would like to see a simpler, more intuitive BIOS interface.

While I agree, there is a broad spectrum of users from completely ignorant all the
way to extreme enthusiasts that actually want more options opened up, you need
to bare in mind that the vast majority of the confusing elements are RAM related.
In many cases users simply can't get their rated performance out of the system
without these advanced options. The KISS solution would be to enable XMP and go.
If it doesn't work, return the RAM and buy a different kit/model. Repeat till it
works. The simple truth is that the system is only required to operate at the
frequency supported by the CPU's IMC. Anything beyond that is technically an
overclock.

RAM manufacturers have confused the issue with XMP. Most people today assume that
XMP = default speed for that RAM. It does not, it is an extreme profile the RAM
manufacturer expects will work on most systems but they do not
guarantee it.

All that said, I fully agree that the BIOS can be a daunting thing to work with,
particularly when settings are poorly explained and duplicated all over the place.
ASRock used to have a simple UEFI screen that you would see by default
but many users hated it and it got scrapped. Personally, I like ASRock's BIOS
implementation, I appreciate how much they leave exposed for the curious and
the experienced to play with. If it wasn't for RAM issues on AMD, I doubt many
people would complain. Being forced to search for a dozen or more settings just
to get your RAM to work at or near it's XMP rating is a pain, no one will deny
this.

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Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 8:31pm

I can understand that. Nevertheless:
It must be clearly stated that a manufacturer who creates complex high-tech products for the consumer can not assume that one is an offspring of Einstein and can answer questions about the product himself. If the producer or support takes the liberty or is ordered not to answer specific questions normal mortals, then I don't need the product. Then they can keep the high-tech product among themselves.
What I'm saying is: as long as not dealing with quantum physics, I have to assume that the producer should then be smart and capable enough to strictly follow the principle of Keep it Simple, so as not to have to evade unpleasant questions from the consumer about compatibility when the product is released.
To keep a long story short: The design of the X570Aqua is simply awesome. So far so good. The BIOS is IMHO a disaster. And since I don't stare at the mobo all the time and struggle more with the BIOS, the overall concept is inadequate.
What I want to say: In my opinion, a producer of a 1000$ high-tech product should be able to create a BIOS interface that can satisfy the 1mV enthusiast up to 7000 Mhz on the one hand and also the butcher with 4 clicks up to the operating limits. Everything else simply has no future.

Please, correct me if I am wrong.

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Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 5:27pm

publicsavior wrote:

Oh, yeah. Right. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you very much.
I just wonder why the support team couldn't give me this plausible explanation.

That's pretty much the whole problem, AMD needs to be more transparent with all
this. Board partners have to skate a fine line between upsetting their vendors (AMD/intel)
and upsetting their consumers. There is no perfect balance, someone will always
be angry. Many times when an obvious solution is not mentioned or explained by
a manufacturer's support staff it is simply because they are not allowed to.
AMD and Intel have stipulations and conditions for licensing their products.
If a piece of advice or explanation is in violation of those conditions, the
poor tech support person is not allowed to say it. This applies to all board partners.

To be fair to ASRock, they often get in trouble for putting their consumers first.

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Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 4:52pm

Oh, yeah. Right. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you very much.
I just wonder why the support team couldn't give me this plausible explanation.

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Posted: 07 Apr 2021 at 11:46pm

The memory controller is on/in your 3950x .. Ryzen 3000 series generally don't go to far beyond 3600.. 3733 is what AMD considers optimal .. but, baby steps .. does your memory run at 3200 with fclk @ 1600£ ..if yeah .. try faster until you max out what the memory controller on your chip can do .. ideally you'd want to run your fclk (infinity fabric) at a 1:1 ratio .. with the RAM you are running, you can go for real tight timings at slower than XMP rated speeds for about the same performance.

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Posted: 07 Apr 2021 at 7:34pm

Hello all. Hope you are all weel

For almost a year now the hardware combination of
Asrock X570 Aqua,
Ryzen 3950x (BIOS 3.40) and
Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB), DDR4-4600 Samsung (CL19-26-26-46)
(Powercolor 6900 xt liquid devil)
gives me severe headaches and i am having a really hard time to figure out whats the problem is.

Whatever BIOS settings i use i neither get the CPU clock beyond 4700Mhz nor the 32 GB memory anywhere near to 4600Mhz.
And certainly not both at the same time. And what is really annoying is that once the XMP2 Profile (1) selected leads to permanent reboots. For any reason the memory is locked at 2133Mhz.

Memory QVL (Vermeer) Compatibility list from Asrock.
DDR4 Corsair 5000 5000 8GB CMK16GX4M2Z5000C18 Ver:3.31 SPECTEK
DDR4 Corsair 4866 8GB CMK16GX4M2Z4866C18 Ver:3.31 SPECTEK
DDR4 Corsair 4400 4400 8GB CMK16GX4M2F4400C19 SS 2
DDR4 Corsair 4200 4000 8GB CMK64GX4M8X4200C19 ver4.31
DDR4 Corsair 4133 4000 8GB CMK32GX4M4E4133C19R
DDR4 Corsair 4133 8GB CMK64GX4M8X4133C19
DDR4 Corsair 4000 4000 8GB CMK16GX4M2Z4000C18 ver 3.31 Micron
DDR4 Corsair 4000 8GB CMR16GX4M2F4000C19 ver4.31
DDR4 Corsair 4000 3866 8GB CMK64GX4M8X4000C19
DDR4 Corsair 4000 4000 8GB CMK16GX4M2K4000C19 Samsung B-die
DDR4 Corsair 4000 4000 8GB CMK32GX4M4K4000C19 SPETEC
DDR4 Corsair 3800 3800 8GB CMK64GX4M8X3800C19 ver4.31

The Corsair Support tested the functionality with only two bars and a very early BIOS version. The request to test again with 4 bars and a current BIOS version could not be granted because 2 more bars were not available. By the way: The 4 memory bars of 8GB (32GB) cost me 1000$.

Can someone here please thankfully tell me what the hell I am doing wrong. I have a wickedly expensive system here and I'm driving with the handbrake on.

And before I forget: Dear Asrock Team, I've been gaming for 40 years, and have built 20 rigs myself so far, and the Dsign of the Asrock X570 Aqua is absolutely fantastic. No question about it. But please don't ask me what I think of your BIOS. I can't remember ever seeing anything worse for $1000. And to use Doubler Chip to gernerate 14 power phases out of 7 is.......

Please don't ask me, because I could answer pretty badly for $1000.

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