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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ring-s Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:17pm
I think there is something wrong with the Thaiphoon report. I imported settings from Thaiphoon and it seems to me that 10ns for CL16 is an invalid value. I only did import and calculate SAFE.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote datonyb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:06pm
im pretty certain
when using the dram calculator

entering the SPD data from cl16 ram

will not return cl14 timings
when you select 'SAFE' SETTING

hence why i suggested the calculator and SAFE settings

EDIT

ok after three attempts to open your link ...........

you have selected samsung 'b' die and thiaphoon shows the patriot as having b dies

im quite certain theres an error here

1) patiot are not really known for using samsung b dies
2) if they had used b dies the timings are far far more likely to be cl16/16/16/ for all the primary timings
3) b dies are end of life and have been for a while

i feel the error here is detecting incorrect ram info and thus the dram calcultor is giving out wrong info from wrong info inputted

Edited by datonyb - 15 May 2020 at 9:15pm
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Originally posted by ThreeDee ThreeDee wrote:

DDR = Dual Data Rate
1600mhz x 2 (Dual) = 3200mhz

I know it is so, why do you mention it? You see some error in my calculations. I don't know why the Thaiphoon report is set to CL 14 as my memory is factory set to CL 16 at 3200Mhz (I mean 2x1600Mhz).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ThreeDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2020 at 1:09am
DDR = Dual Data Rate
1600mhz x 2 (Dual) = 3200mhz
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[URL= https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XDwh_42MVFCxC-9vipmfA-gZqRZPEYuy]Thaiphoon reads[/URL]
[URL= https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xkwez07raRs1hEVC-hOE3i3cldy-06xS]Ryzen calculator[/URL]

I download XMP config from Thaiphoon export and the calculator gave me a result that completely disagrees with reality. These timings are far too low than the default timings from XMP. This setting does not work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ring-s Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2020 at 4:14pm
As I wrote earlier, reducing timings does not bring the desired result. Asrock did not provide information about the compatibility of any memory with ZEN2 processors, based on the Matisse core. Manufacturer Patriot reports that these are memories intended just for Ryzen's 3th gen. Moreover, on the technological pages they confirm that they are memories specifically for the 3th gene Ryzen. If Asrock released a list of compatible memories, I would certainly buy something that is on this list. I certainly would not buy a memory that anyone would advise against this platform.

I try to calculate by this software as You wrote.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote datonyb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2020 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by ring-s ring-s wrote:

What's more, I had to increase RAM voltage by 0.01v in relation to what was in the XMP profile, otherwise she did not want to work on the profile settings. Suspect some measurement error, voltage deviation.


to me this is the biggest clue to the fact the board is 'struggling' to perform the ram memory training
also in your previos post you said due to no qvl for ram and that cpu you assumed that all ram was fine

this is very much incorrect
you can only assume NO RAM has been tested and verified

anyway back to your issue

as said above
i feel the system is struggling to initialise the ram hence the delay

using the ryzen dram calculator a free software download can reap large gains

i suggest trying the 'safe' settings from the program and see if that solves this issue
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What's more, I had to increase RAM voltage by 0.01v in relation to what was in the XMP profile, otherwise she did not want to work on the profile settings. Suspect some measurement error, voltage deviation.
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I haven't actually written about the processor. Here I have Ryzen 5 3600. There is no RAM compatibility list for third generation processors on this board, so I conclude that most of the memory will work properly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ThreeDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:17pm
What CPU? Memory doesn't appear to be on the QVL, so luck of the draw there and could cause some "training" lag. Memory in A2/B2? ..does it boot any quicker with just 1 stick of memory in? You can try resetting to defaults in BIOS and see if that helps .. you can enable "Fast Boot" as well and see if that suits you better.
I had the x470 Master SLI and I don't recall having annoying slow boot times .. ran the 1700, 2700x, and 3700x on it and non QVL RAM... without Fast boot enabled.
My daughters ASRock B350 Fatal1ty ITX boots pretty quick .. had a 2200g, then my old 2700x and now a 3600x with non QVL RAM and with both 5400rpm laptop drive and now a bit quicker with the NVMe drive

My current setup boots a bit on the slow side .. side by side booting with an old Intel Dell laptop with an SSD .. the Dell boots faster until it gets to loading windows .. my Steel Legend boots slow until it's loading windows and then bam .. .ready to go.

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