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    Posted: 13 Dec 2020 at 6:36am
HI, I have a Taichi X370, BIOS Revision: 5.13, AMD Ryzen 7

Version: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor          
     Voltage: 1.2 V
     External Clock: 100 MHz
     Max Speed: 3750 MHz
     Current Speed: 3000 MHz
     Status: Populated, Enabled
     Upgrade: Socket AM4
     L1 Cache Handle: 0x0010
     L2 Cache Handle: 0x0011
     L3 Cache Handle: 0x0012

Memory is 32G (4x 8G) TridentZRGB P/N F4-3200C16-8GTZR
        DDR4-3200 CL16-18-18-38   1.35V

Autodetect sets the memory to:
        Type: DDR4
     Type Detail: Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered)
     Speed: 1866 MT/s
        Configured Memory Speed: 933 MT/s
     Minimum Voltage: 1.2 V
     Maximum Voltage: 1.2 V
     Configured Voltage: 1.2 V


If I try to change the BIOS to match the manufacturer specifications I get nasty beeps and a three power off/up cycles before it sets the speed back to it's autodetected defaults.

The manual from the website doesn't have a lot of documentation of options in the BIOS (many are not in the PDF) so I'm not sure if there's something else I need to do to get this to work at full speed besides setting the rate, timings and voltage per the memory manufacturer's specs...

Any help is appreciated!
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I upgraded to BIOS 5.6, no change.

I'm stumped. I have no idea why the BIOS chooses the slowest possible speed for my DDR4 memory.
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Hello @luminarycrush

You'll need to read this = https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide/

and use = https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

and follow this = https://www.overclock.net/threads/new-dram-calculator-for-ryzen%E2%84%A2-1-7-3-overclocking-dram-on-am4-membench-0-8-dram-bench.1640919/page-517

Come back again after studying above and we can help you more accurately.
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Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

Hello @luminarycrush

You'll need to read this = https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide/

and use = https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

and follow this = https://www.overclock.net/threads/new-dram-calculator-for-ryzen%E2%84%A2-1-7-3-overclocking-dram-on-am4-membench-0-8-dram-bench.1640919/page-517

Come back again after studying above and we can help you more accurately.



Thank you for your response. I'd like to ask what may be a dumb question - I didn't think I was trying to overclock the memory, I was just trying to "clock" it - set it to it's advertised performance. Is what you sent appropriate for non-overclock BIOS settings for memory? I haven't build a machine in awhile, but not so many years ago you'd just set the memory speed appropriately per manufacturer's specs.

I will read the information you sent regardless, but wanted to get my head straight first.

I don't run Windows (though I have a VM, not sure if that tool will work in it). I did manage to extract this from Linux tools, which appears to conflict what the memory advertises and is printed on the stickers:


---=== SPD EEPROM Information ===---
EEPROM CRC of bytes 0-125                        OK (0x242D)
# of bytes written to SDRAM EEPROM               384
Total number of bytes in EEPROM                  512
Fundamental Memory type                          DDR4 SDRAM
SPD Revision                                    1.1
Module Type                                      UDIMM
EEPROM CRC of bytes 128-253                      OK (0xA01C)

---=== Memory Characteristics ===---
Maximum module speed                             2132 MHz (PC4-17000)
Size                                             8192 MB
Banks x Rows x Columns x Bits                    16 x 16 x 10 x 64
SDRAM Device Width                               8 bits
Ranks                                           1
AA-RCD-RP-RAS (cycles)                           15-15-15-36
Supported CAS Latencies                          16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T

---=== Timings at Standard Speeds ===---
AA-RCD-RP-RAS (cycles) as DDR4-1866              13-13-13-31
AA-RCD-RP-RAS (cycles) as DDR4-1600              11-11-11-27

---=== Timing Parameters ===---
Minimum Cycle Time (tCKmin)                      0.938 ns
Maximum Cycle Time (tCKmax)                      1.600 ns
Minimum CAS Latency Time (tAA)                   13.750 ns
Minimum RAS to CAS Delay (tRCD)                  13.750 ns
Minimum Row Precharge Delay (tRP)               13.750 ns
Minimum Active to Precharge Delay (tRAS)        33.000 ns
Minimum Active to Auto-Refresh Delay (tRC)       46.750 ns
Minimum Recovery Delay (tRFC1)                   350.000 ns
Minimum Recovery Delay (tRFC2)                   260.000 ns
Minimum Recovery Delay (tRFC4)                   160.000 ns
Minimum Four Activate Window Delay (tFAW)        21.000 ns
Minimum Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD_S) 3.700 ns
Minimum Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD_L) 5.300 ns
Minimum CAS to CAS Delay (tCCD_L)               5.625 ns
Minimum Write Recovery Time (tWR)               15.000 ns
Minimum Write to Read Time (tWTR_S)              2.500 ns
Minimum Write to Read Time (tWTR_L)              7.500 ns

---=== Other Information ===---
Package Type                                    Monolithic
Maximum Activate Count                           Unlimited
Post Package Repair                             One row per bank group
Soft PPR                                         Supported
Module Nominal Voltage                           1.2 V
Thermal Sensor                                   No

---=== Physical Characteristics ===---
Module Height                                    32 mm
Module Thickness                                 2 mm front, 2 mm back
Module Reference Card                            A revision 1

---=== Manufacturer Data ===---
Module Manufacturer                             G Skill Intl
DRAM Manufacturer                                SK Hynix (former Hyundai Electronics)
Part Number                                      F4-3200C16-8GTZR


Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 4
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cx5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 2020 at 10:53am
Hello @luminarycrush

Times have changed. Mainly because AMD uses ram differently to Intel, hence most of the XMP on market is mostly for Intel and crashes/can't boot on AMD, but in reality some Intel XMP also crashes on Intel, so what is the correct answer? The motherboard's memory vendor list is the correct answer. In short some rams work on some motherboard and not other motherboard. It's a longer story but I'd stop here.

I also do not overclock. I also just run ram at specified sold spec. But you could guess now my ram could not boot using XMP, so I have to use the new information as knowledge and 1usmus calculator and get a starting baseline parameters and input them all manually in order to boot but not windows stable, then slowly find out what other values need to be changed higher against the 1usmus calculator findings. It's not absolute.

Quick tips are: -
1) change the primary timing higher
2) always use even number, not odd numbers, i.e. CL 14, 16, 18 etc, because AMD don't like 15, 17, 19 on tCL or CL, other numbers can be EVEN or ODD.
3) actually item 2) is automatically raise if Geardown Mode in Turned On, hence don't turn off yet even web says performance better, for now you want stability first.
4) quick and clean shortcut reading https://www.corsair.com/corsairmedia/sys_master/productcontent/Ryzen3000_MemoryOverclockingGuide.pdf

after more than 3 years of diving into this ram calculator thing knowing from nothing, this document truly is the best, it lays the bare minimum and core critical parameters, no nonsense sure fire solution.

OK, good luck.
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That's some good info cx5. Can you tell me where to look for FCLK settings on an X570 Taichi? Nothing looks obvious to me.
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Hello @Gronar, thanks.

FCLK / Fabric Clock = Infinity Fabric Frequency and Divider.

on the OC Tweaker page, right under DRAM Frequency.
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Don't have that in my BIOS under tweaker.
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Please see picture from this post https://www.overclock.net/threads/asrock-x370-taichi-overclocking-thread.1627407/post-28697030

Picture credit from kitguru https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/luke-hill/asrock-x570-taichi-motherboard-review/3/


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Nope, don't have that in the BIOS I'm running. P3.61.
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