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cx5 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2017 Location: Hong Kong Status: Offline Points: 2398 |
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Hi @cmm2391,
Good job bro replying correctly technically, especailly adding honesty and openess takes courage, kudos, respect!!! Firstly I would like to encourage you to FIND ways to achieve the XMP speed, because that's what you paid for, because the ram is certified to run faster without problem, albeit small prints and limitations by Intel/AMD/JEDEC/mobo makers/etc/etc that you will find out more later. XMP is technically overclocked above the JEDEC international standard 2133MT/s actually is 1066Mhz, but many likes to write it 2133Mhz, especially the ram sellers, which mislead many consumers, but lets not mind this too much..... JEDEC upgraded another one to 2666MT/s, so many will run these nearly for sure. Regarding slow rules, only when pairs are used. Slot A2 and B2 are meant to be run as pair first. Then slot A1 and B1 as second pair. I think if at anytime there's a single spec slot then nearly all rules are wasted..... as users we have to manually configure the timings in hope the mix and match works.i.e. your 3000 in A2 B2, then 3200 in A1 B1. Info for how to find ways to make them work against all odds are in these few links. https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=24829&title=xml-profile-2-0-not-working-with-ram https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-amd-motherboards/1627407-asrock-x370-taichi-overclocking-thread-769.html |
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cmm2391 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 2023 Status: Offline Points: 65 |
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Alrighty, there we go, just like magic after actually putting the sticks in correctly this time (A1/B1 and A2/B2), I have a clean boot. It looks like with capacity increasing, I did lose out on some speed, which I suppose I expected.
With just 2 sticks in, I was seeing (DDR4-2133) in BIOS. Now with 4 sticks in, I'm seeing (DDR4-1866) in BIOS. I suppose it would behoove me to read a little bit more about XMP and overclocking now, as it at least gives me the option of selecting DDR4-2133, among other higher speeds. It's interesting to me that with 4 sticks in I see DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34 1.35V in BIOS (which I guess corresponds to my old RAM that was F4-3200C14D), but in NZXT CAM I now see 13-13-13-31, though I'm not sure what that value was with just 2 sticks. Thanks all for the help! If anyone has any recommendations on the XMP front I'd love to hear it. I'll also add a new CPU to the top of my upgrade list going forward so I can unlock some even better performance. Thanks again! |
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eccential ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2022 Location: Nevada Status: Offline Points: 6545 |
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For DIMM arrangement, stick to what the manual recommends.
Fill A2 first, and then B2. They must be matching DIMMs. After you fill all the _2 slots, then move on to _1 slots. If you have two single-rank DIMMs (4 or 8 DRAM chips total) and two dual-rank DIMMS (16 DRAM chips total), then put the dual-rank DIMMs in _2 slots, and put the single-rank DIMMs in _1 slots. I own a lot of Ryzen CPUs and APUs, but most of them are "older" 2000-series. I do have one each of 3600, 4650G, and 5600. All of the 2600/3600/5600 (non-X) have been amazing values. Indeed, 5600 is quite a bit faster than earlier generations, so *IF YOU ARE BOTTLENECKED* on CPU performance, it can make a big difference. You'll have to consider EVERYTHING (cost, software you run, what kind of GPU you have, and even future plans) when making upgrade decisions. |
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cmm2391 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 2023 Status: Offline Points: 65 |
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@eccential above and @cx5 in this post:
I see "UEFI Version: X370 Taichi P3.00" when I open up BIOS, hopefully that's what you're looking for. Haven't done anything noteworthy in BIOS since I built the computer, or at least I can't recall it, so not sure if that's a version I can be updating as time goes on, etc. I don't believe I turned on XMP when I originally built the computer, so I guess I haven't had it on all this time. The XMP setting in BIOS is set to Auto rather than the other option, which is something like XMP 2.0 profile. I think in the past when I built the computer I read a little bit about whatever the risks were/are when overclocking RAM and decided not to do it at that time. And then everything worked well enough for me to forget about it for multiple years so I never looked at it again lol. My workload on the PC is pretty normal, I suppose. I keep like 30-40 tabs open in Chrome at any given time and game on it, including Call of Duty MW2, Destiny 2, Cyberpunk, etc., so I assume those are fairly RAM-heavy. But other than that, I don't really run any memory-intensive things. I mentioned in my comment above, but NZXT CAM just consistently reads over 70% RAM usage at any given time, so I figured I would expand capacity, and don't really have any need for faster speeds, etc. Interesting thought on upgrading the CPU. I'm showing my noob-ness but I never really thought of doing that as I assumed that it wasn't something that couldn't be done. I suppose it doesn't really make sense to have to throw all the other parts away if a CPU goes bad. But as I also said, I really haven't had a single problem with my machine since I built it, so that's probably my best reason to have never really upgraded anything. I keep the machine clean of dust, it runs without problems, so I just do my thing. But that is a good thing for me to consider upgrading the CPU rather than the RAM, thank you. |
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cmm2391 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 2023 Status: Offline Points: 65 |
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Hey, thanks for the reply.
The speed difference was intentional. I did some hasty searching and found at least a couple hits remarking that the speed differences should theoretically be okay, but the final speed of the 4 sticks would default to the lower speed of all sticks aka the speeds of the C14 sticks which I'm fine with. NZXT CAM running on my computer shows RAM usage consistently over 70% cause I'm a Chrome tab hog, so I figured I should be going more for capacity than speed. Tbh I'm kinda thinking I put the new sticks in A1/A2 or B1/B2 when I tried it out a couple nights ago. I haven't fiddled with the RAM slots for years now, so I ended up taking the older sticks out and then putting all 4 sticks in, so I probably totally blew it on matching up the channels with older sticks in A2/B2 and newer in A1/B1 so I'll make sure to do better on that this next go-round. Will let you know how that goes later on! |
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cx5 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2017 Location: Hong Kong Status: Offline Points: 2398 |
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Hi,
what bios version are you running now? I'm curious, did you even turn on XMP all these years ??? finally I suppose you're still running Zen1 CPU ??? If yes then I'd recommend you to spend the money on Zen3 instead more ram, because more ram will not make the PC run faster NOT smoother, assuming you're not using it for heavy workload..... But going from Zen1 to Zen3 has massive performance increase, like 100% more faster in everything....... Yes 5600x is US$100 than the ram you plan to invest, but I guarantee you that after you add ram you won't feel any performance increase hence no Umph feeling and be a little dissapointed only..... but once you tried Zen3 even the 5600x, you'd going like OMG!!! sell your Zen1 and that US$100 more won't stink so much..... say get US$50 back would be the best case scenario if you have a 1700 or 1700x. |
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eccential ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2022 Location: Nevada Status: Offline Points: 6545 |
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The QVL is useless because there's no way ANY motherboard company would be able to test all the DIMMs in the market. You don't even know what actual DRAM chips you're getting (brand/device#/etc.) with most DIMM vendors anyway. I don't think a single DDR4 DIMM I own is listed in any QVL, but then, all mine are JEDEC spec ECC UDIMMs, so....
Anyway, the pairs you bought are definitely different because one is CL14 and another is CL15. Maybe the mechanism that the CPU uses to determine which speed to use isn't looking at all of them.... So there are 4 DIMM slots, right? It's really 2 slots per channel, say A1,A2,B1,B2, and for normal 2 DIMM configuration, you use A2,B2 only. You might want to try different configurations, like putting old DIMMs in A1,B1 and putting new DIMMs in A2,B2, and vice versa. You might even want to try old DIMMs in A1,A2 and new DIMMs in B1,B2, although I don't think that's the normal thing to do. Oh, and before any of that, maybe clear CMOS to see if it helps. In the worst case, you might be able to run all 4 DIMMs in JEDEC mode, rather than in XMP mode. No idea what that would be (2400 MT/s ???), so it would be much slower, but, well, at least you get more capacity. |
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cmm2391 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 2023 Status: Offline Points: 65 |
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Hi all,
Was trying to Google a bit for this but wasn't finding much. I built my current PC sometime in 2018 and have made basically no modifications since then. I must have somehow done a decent job cause I really just haven't had any problems and any reason to change anything. I got a couple Visa gift cards for Christmas and thought what the hell I'll go out and buy some additional RAM for my PC. I currently have 2x8gig G.Skill Trident Z, like this: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232410 I have a black and white theme going on, so I didn't quite want to get the item above since I can only do it in silver and white. But in black and white, I could get what seems to be basically the same product, but a little bit faster speeds. I read online that theoretically I should be able to add this RAM, but the new set would default to the lower speeds of my current RAM. What I bought is here: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232381 I put the RAM in and get a 0d error code. Take the RAM out and my PC is back to working fine. In Googling some stuff I get to the ASRock Taichi x370 memory QVL list and see the RAM that I bought isn't included there, so that means it's not supported, which stinks. But I search for the RAM I currently have and don't see that in the list either, which confuses me. Is the list open to changing over time? Past the question above, what's my best path forward? I'd like to just keep the RAM I have and add to it, but I see with some searches say that that may not be realistic and that maybe I need to just go buy a 4x8gig set to get me to 32gigs. I have no idea what the memory market was looking like 5 years ago but I bought my first 16gigs for $187 versus $75 for this latest set, so I'd love to keep costs low in the long run. Any help with any of the questions above is appreciated!! |
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