ASRock.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Technical Support > Intel Motherboards
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Z97M Anniversity OC limit?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search Search  Events   Register Register  Login Login

Z97M Anniversity OC limit?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 34567 8>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
TAMW View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 07 Nov 2016
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TAMW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 2:40pm
On another note, it seems like a perfect timing for Amd Zen in january.. I just got Battlefield 1 today, and it totaly maxes out my poor i5 LOL

100% load on cpu, and on the biggest and busy'est maps with 64 players with fog effects it stutters like crazy. gpu and memory controller load in gpuz isnt near 100.

Whouldn't have guessed a oc'd 4. gen i5 getting into trouble so soon :P

An actual valid reason to upgrade? Nice. Clap
Back to Top
TAMW View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 07 Nov 2016
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TAMW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 9:54am
HAHAHAHA! Now that is awsome! Work related overclocking-offs XD That ice water setup I can just picture in my head, marvelous LOL

Suicide runs on cpus is hella fun! The first time we saw 4ghz on a 939 cpu was ecstatic!

I did too play with ice water (nowhere near as crazy as your setup) but I had the luxury of 2006 :P Just dumped lots of icecubes in a big zalman alu res, and left my garrage door open (Sat in the garrage during oc sessions) with -10-15c outside..  Didnt get any results that session as both my cpu and gpu were badly coldbugged.

I later started working at a meat factory where they had a dice making machine that made powder dry ice like snow. Got it for free too, and got fresh beef, sausages, meatballs etc for like 80% off in the employee surplus store on site. Think I gained 10kg that year :P

The case is a chieftech mesh, it got the job done after some cutting and drillingWink Got quite a few disgusted looks from the "normies" at the big 5000+ people lanparties LOL



The gathering 2009 in Hamar, Norway..



Some Sli-DR Venus benching



And some dice chilled coke while the pot warms up again :P


Back to Top
Xaltar View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 May 2015
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 22943
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xaltar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 5:48am
Love that case, I would mod the hell out of that thing Evil Smile

The Celeron 300a (Mendocino) was a Slot 1 CPU so it was a cut down version of the Pentium II. The whole slotted CPU design came about because of cache shortages so CPU manufacturers got around it by using a daughter board system with different cache ICs that could be found more easily. Once the shortages were over we saw the birth of the first Pentium 3 (Coppermine) Socket 370 CPUs. 

I used a high end server board (I forget the model now) for my 300a which had jumpers that allowed me to manually set the BCLK all the way up to 166mhz via jumpers on the board, that combined with some insane voltage mods and cooling got my 700mhz result that stood as a record briefly among my co workers at the time. You have to bare in mind this was some years later and we didn't care if we burned up the CPUs we were playing with Tongue My cooling solution involved coating the entire motherboard and CPU+heatsink in thick non conductive grease and encasing the entire CPU in ice except for it's slot edge connector. I then submerged the entire motherboard in an ice-water filled bucket turned it on and waited for the sparks to fly. They didn't and I briefly got to see the glorious 700mhz figure on the post screen before the water began to boil and I shut it off LOL  We must have fried a dozen or so old boards experimenting with various overclocks and cooling methods in those days. If I had known about LN2 back then...... Interestingly HWbot only has 2 Celeron 300a entries of 700mhz and over, that was one hell of a CPU, I wish I still had it. I need to correct my last post, I ran mine at 533mhz 24/7 not 633.... typo.... Most hit 450mhz easily even on stock cooling. You also have to bare in mind we didn't have access to advanced coolers back then, it was either stock, slightly better than stock or completely home brew Wink I think I was in my late teens/early 20s back then and a little too careless with my kit now that I look back on it Embarrassed

I was so frustrated when one of my co workers managed 733mhz on his AMD K6 III 550, we were trying to see if any of us could get close to the 1ghz of the as yet unavailable at the time Pentium III coppermine 1ghz CPU that had just been released. He ended up winning the competition and a month of Friday afternoons off. Our boss was a blast and always came up with fun/crazy team competitions and team building exercises. I still maintain it wasn't fair, 550mhz to 733mhz was nothing compared to 300 to 700mhz Ouch


Edited by Xaltar - 23 Nov 2016 at 6:06am
Back to Top
TAMW View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 07 Nov 2016
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TAMW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 5:13am
Originally posted by Xaltar Xaltar wrote:

The notorious (for the time) Celeron 300a. I got mine up to 700mhz with some very creative cooling but ran it at 633mhz with a monstrous heatsink and a pair of 120mm delta fans pilfered from an old server for day to day use.


Wow, thats impressive! That is the first pentium platform, yes? Kinda wish I was a little older in the 90's, lots of fun tech around then :) Was there vcore adjustments in bios/jumpers back then, or only mods?

Tho I have played around a little with some of that stuff now in later times thanks to a decade older friend of mine, he also loved the 90s stuff and has multiple systems of 486, p1, p3 etc.. He always has some stories to tell about how they tricked around with hw in that time, before the internet became common place in every household. Very cool :)

I too had a delta 80mm that I bought (mistake :P) with my first system in 2005. My then x2 4400+ CCBWE oc'd like sh*t, think I had 1.6v on it for 2.7ghz. I stuffed wet chunks of paper in my ears before I went to sleep at night while my downloads were going :P

Here is a picture of the Opteron 175/DFI/x1900xtx rig I ran until 2009:


Back to Top
Xaltar View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 May 2015
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 22943
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xaltar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 6:51pm
My experience with overclocking goes back to the intel 486 SX 25 which was the first CPU I owned that wasn't either in my family's PC or so old it couldn't run windows. I remember getting it to run at 40mhz (vs my parent's 486 DX4 100) with jumpers and oh man was I excited. I thought I had discovered the holy grail and that I was the first one to do it, trick the board into thinking my CPU was a faster model LOL It didn't take long before I discovered that this was called overclocking and that people did it all the time, even back then Embarrassed

I had overclocked 8086s before that but from 4 to 8mhz or 8 to 16mhz but that hardly seemed impressive and made little difference when you couldn't even run windows 3.1 on them. I also didn't know what the stock clocks on them were so for all I knew that was normal.... My SX 25 was my first real overclock on a current(ish) system.

The next system I really got excited about was centered around one of these bad boys:

 

The notorious (for the time) Celeron 300a. I got mine up to 700mhz with some very creative cooling but ran it at 633mhz with a monstrous heatsink and a pair of 120mm delta fans pilfered from an old server for day to day use. I don't think I have seen another CPU overclock to more than 200% of it's stock frequency since then. I kept that system for years before giving it to my wife (then girlfriend). 

Around the same time I discovered AMD's K6 range of CPUs, most notably the K6 III which could run (all K6s did) on older pentium socket 7 or "Super Socket 7" boards as were later released with an AGP slot and SDRAM support. I had a bunch of these as they allowed me to revive much older systems and have them perform as well as and sometimes better than the more current Pentium II/III.

Sadly, all my best overclocking CPUs have always been intel despite my love of AMD. I don't consider myself a fanboi of either though, I am a fan of the tech itself and typically own both Evil Smile  
Back to Top
TAMW View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 07 Nov 2016
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 56
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TAMW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 6:16pm
Interesting times for sure =)

Definitely consider myself an AMD guy at heart.

When I first bought my first pc in 2005, AMD was riding high with socket 939. I remember we used to have heated AMD vs Intel discussions in school and on lan parties, good fun :D

I was was so dissapointed when I found out the am2 cpu's were just k8 with ddr2 and even the first phenoms on this shiny new arcitecture didnt perform, that I kept my 939 setup with the DFI NF4-d, opteron 175 @ 3.2ghz and 4gb ram until the summer of 2009! Cuz I sure as hell wasn't getting any Intels inside the house walls XD

Finally when I upgraded to AM2+ and a x2 250, I cant say I was impressed. I then got a phenom2 940, which was pretty good but oc'd garbage. And then at last a phenom2 965 that ran 4.1ghz on water.

All was good and FPS was flowing, but I decided to take a trip to my old home town and didnt bother bringing my monster rig with me. And of course after about a week in, I almost went crazy without my pc.
So I went on the used sales sites and found a local dude that had a x48 board with a c2d 7500 dualcore. "Heck it, I'll just sell it when I get back home again, no-one will know"

But damn, that e7500 oc'd like a maniac on a little air cooler (up towards 4ghz). And performed like my quad core phenom2, about the same atleast.

So I get home again (left the c2d rig at my moms house in my old home town), and that phenom2 rig were suddently not that hot lookin' anymore.

A day didn't even go by, and by coincidence my friend that I mentioned in my previous posts (he goes by knopflerbruce on the forums btw) offered me a x58 board with a i7 920 and 6gb ram pretty cheap (was early 2010 by this point).

"Now what is this, x58 huh? Yea ok"

From this point on, I reluctanty have called myself "an Intel guy"
I absolutely LOVED socket 1366! The performance was mindblowingly insane, and you could overclock ANYTHING. Even 6 core xeons! On pretty much any motherboard!
I had so many 1366 cpus and boards.. I even had the Evga SR-2 dual socket board with 2x x5670's running 4.5ghz!

When sandy bridge came along, I got onboard pretty quick. And now what is this, I need a "K" cpu to oc it? ok, so I buy. with a H61 board... I need a "Z" chipset? What the hell? So I buy.
Cant even oc the 2600k with baseclock. multiplier and vcore. wow, so fun. Not. And not even the performance of a i7 970!

After this, I have bought pretty much every new platform, but went back to x58 or p55 after a while again out of boredom, back and forth. And just watched from the sideline AMD getting into more trouble.

SO.. Now I really hope like you said that Zen lives up to the hype and really performs! Not because I need better performance. But to make it FUN again!

Fully open cpu's and chipsets for overclocking is so much fun! And to make people talk about it again! That friction is so good to have :)

Can't wait for January, keeping the fingers crossed! =D
Back to Top
Xaltar View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 May 2015
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 22943
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xaltar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 4:00pm
I couldn't agree more Parsec. 

Some things AMD has done right imo:

1. Marketing the Zen lineup years ahead of release, this means many AMD fans will have been holding off for Zen so will likely result in a boom of sales close to release.
2. This is probably not intentional but still plays in AMD's favor, the fact that AMD has not had a new socket in so very long means people upgrading will feel they have really gotten their money's worth out of their current systems.
3. Switching to more conventional cores with Zen, this means a more even playing field that isn't reliant on different usage examples for proper comparison between AMD and Intel. While Bulldozer and it's derivatives were very successful in their own right they compared poorly to intel from day one because software never really caught up to the technology and even when it started to it was typically only optimized for up to 4 cores (game engines are the main culprit here). Even today many game titles do not properly optimize for more than 4 cores which means half of an 8 core FX CPU is being under or improperly utilized. In the few games that are optimized to take advantage of the 4 module 8 thread FX we see very competitive performance with intel. Zen will remove the "in the few titles" from the equation and allow AMD to compete directly in all titles. This is assuming they live up to the rumors and hype, at least largely.
4. Merging APUs and regular CPUs onto a single socket, this will likely encourage motherboard sales in a big way.

I could go on but from where I sit, AMD looks poised to really shake up the market when ZEN hits, it would be tragic if despite all this they fall short.
Back to Top
parsec View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 04 May 2015
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4996
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote parsec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by TAMW TAMW wrote:

Got all quiet in here, have I stayed past my welcome? :P

Btw wardog, I read that the zen 8core will cost around 300 usd, but a "oc friendly" variant will be 500 usd.. Does this mean they have locked the cheaper ones from all overclocking you think? Or just that the $500 one is open multiplier maybe?


I've read there will be three levels of Zen processors, from top to bottom, SR7, SR5, and SR3. The following is unofficial rumors, mainly the clock speeds and price.

The over clocking SR7 model(s?) is said to be ~$300, which is an eight core, 16 thread CPU. That price is Intel's four core, eight thread territory... on sale. Clock speeds of the SR7 seems to be very similar to Intel's current Haswell-E and Broadwell-E, at ~3.5GHz, a bit more with Turbo. OC headroom is about the same as the Intel's just mentioned, 4.2GHz being typical average on air. The IPC of Zen is supposed to be competitive with the current Intel HEDT processors. The similar Intel 8 core, 16 thread CPU is twice that price.

If AMD can pull off these rumors, or stay close, they will have a winner IMO. If the guys that call 1% - 5% lower performance difference compared to Intel "wiping the floor with it", "blowing it away", or "if it's not better than Intel, it's no good", influence too many people, then AMD may have a problem.

If the AMD fans can actually bring themselves to buy a new mother board (that always kills me, yeah a five+ year old chipset is just fine... not) then Zen has a chance IMO. Or if they can't swallow the price of a processor above $100 (to put in their $50 board... come on people, get serious!) then Zen will have trouble in the PC world. But AMD may save themselves in the Enterprise world, with near Intel performance for a much lower price (who really loves those $4K Xeons.)

I'm an Intel person, but I truly hope for the best from Zen. Intel is plenty fat now, they can lose a few bucks and be fine.
Back to Top
Xaltar View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 May 2015
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 22943
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xaltar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 4:33am
Ban? Me? Never Tongue

Everyone is welcome here, well everyone except spammers, trolls and flamers, those I take great pleasure in banning Evil Smile

Keep the awesome posts and pics coming Thumbs Up
Back to Top
wardog View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group


Joined: 15 Jul 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 6447
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wardog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 3:36am
Originally posted by TAMW TAMW wrote:


Btw wardog, I read that the zen 8core will cost around 300 usd, but a "oc friendly" variant will be 500 usd.. Does this mean they have locked the cheaper ones from all overclocking you think? Or just that the $500 one is open multiplier maybe?


Rumor so far. Not one speculation, only rumors.

I'd have imagined, this close to release, we'd have heard of this shift sooner. Much sooner.

Probably some Intel Fanboy doing double duty at her keyboard spouting off hoping it gets traction and ink.



And no. Everyone is Welcome here for as long as they'd like. Or that is until Xaltar or parsec Ban them Tongue
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 34567 8>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.04
Copyright ©2001-2021 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.250 seconds.