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Originally posted by Peter13779 Peter13779 wrote:

I have the same problem here using two crucial BX100 (actual firmware) drives at AHCI. Windows 10 64 bit (1703) is not installable and an installed windows (cloned from working HDD install) is not bootable on these drives connected to the AMD sata ports. The drives are missing in bios on every soft reset of the system.

The ports using asmedia chipset are working fine with these SSD drives!

Edit: My crucial MX100 is working fine on the AMD ports



Little update here:

The MX100 is working but very very slow in some situations (kb/s!).

I changed to an Samsung 840 pro from my notebook. For now thats OK but I will return the board if there is no final solution ...


Edited by Peter13779 - 13 Apr 2017 at 5:30pm
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Hi there, subscribing to this thread since i'm the exact same position. X370 Taichi with an 1800x and extremely slow disk speeds (sata ssd/m2). Nothing seemed to help until now so i'm anxiously waiting for an official response maybe?

Tried each bios from 1.4 to 2.0 and sata drives from old ones to m2.

I've ordered another board in the mean time to check if the processor has anything to do with the slowdowns. Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.

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https://www2.ati.com/drivers/amd-chipset-drivers-17.3.1-windows-64bit-mar9.exe ?
Faster SATA only NVMe (PCI-E)

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Thanks will give it a try when i get home though i find it weird that i can't even install an operating system on any drive other than the m2 because of the slow speed. A bootable linux distro benchmarks the speed at 12read /8read for the 2 850evo 250gb ssds i have. The only drive i can finish a windows install in a decent amount of time is the m2 one 960 evo 500gb but it's still a lot slower than it's specs.
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Originally posted by Peter13779 Peter13779 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter13779 Peter13779 wrote:

I have the same problem here using two crucial BX100 (actual firmware) drives at AHCI. Windows 10 64 bit (1703) is not installable and an installed windows (cloned from working HDD install) is not bootable on these drives connected to the AMD sata ports. The drives are missing in bios on every soft reset of the system.

The ports using asmedia chipset are working fine with these SSD drives!

Edit: My crucial MX100 is working fine on the AMD ports



Little update here:

The MX100 is working but very very slow in some situations (kb/s!).

I changed to an Samsung 840 pro from my notebook. For now thats OK but I will return the board if there is no final solution ...


Next Update:

Sleep Port0 and Port1 disabled did not change anything.
But I had time to test every single SATA port.

MX100 and BX100 are working BUT only from port 2 upwards. Port 0 and 1 are comming directly from CPU ...

Now is the question:
1. bad CPU
2. bad Board
3. bad BIOS




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Strange problem with the SSDs on the SATA 1 and 2 ports. There are 4 - 6 SATA ports coming from the CPU, not just two. AMD's specs on this are confusing, and if you search on this, I find contradictory information. This of course ignores the ASMedia SATA ports.

Just to be clear, the AMD SATA3_1 and SATA3_2 ports are the two ports at the top of the SATA port "stack", labeled 12 on the mother board layout page in the X370 Taichi manual.

I have a different Ryzen board (X370 Killer SLI/ac) and CPU (1700X), and I have two SSDs on the AMD SATA3_1 and SATA3_2 ports (Samsung 830 and Intel 530), and they work fine.

I also have a Samsung 960 EVO in the M2_1 slot, as the OS drive, Windows 10, and it works fine. The Windows 10 installation was the fastest I have ever experienced, even faster than on my Intel Z170 and Z270 systems, using Samsung 950 Pro and 960 EVO NVMe SSDs. Benchmark results are normal for all my SSDs. NVMe SSDs require a somewhat different Windows installation technique.

Of course this does not mean that your board, etc, does not have a problem of some kind. I have seen problems with certain models of SSDs and new mother boards/chipsets in the past, so who knows if this is happening again or not.

I must ask about the slow performance of the MX100. The speed of any drive is not constant, it depends upon the size and type of file being read or written. For example, only large (512KB+) files can be read at ~500MB/s. Small files (4KB) are read at much slower speeds, 25MB/s is typical for many SSDs. Copying a folder of multiple, different files from one drive to another, will happen at varying speeds, depending on the file type, size, and the source and destination drives. The capacity of an SSD, and the amount of free space on it also causes differences in file write speeds.

For others posting in this thread, simply saying a Windows installation is slow without any details about what the Windows installation media is (optical disk, USB flash drive) and the version of Windows being used (Windows 7 does not have an NVMe driver for example) does not begin to provide enough information for us to comment about.
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Not to be snarky or anything but having a windows 10 install complete 1% every 3 minutes when copying files is completely unacceptable.  This is my case at the least. The media used is an usb flash drive that works flawlessly on my intel build (VII Ranger with 4790k). 

As i said in my previous message, using a bootlable ubuntu usb to benchmark the ssd's the speed never goes over 40mb for reading and 20 for writing, if i leave it to run for a while it eventually stalls, meaning the write benchmark stays at 0mb/s. The same bootable usb used on the same ssd's on the intel build will benchmark them at 520 read 500 write. Something is obviously wrong. The only ssd that has any chance of completing a windows install, in my case at least, is the 960 evo which registers ~120 write speed if lucky. I had a case in which it also stalled to 0 write. 


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I'm having no issues with speed.

Samsung 960 EVO: 3200 MB/s read & 1650 MB/s write< ="chrome-extension://hhojmcideegachlhfgfdhailpfhgknjm/web_accessible_resources/index.js">
Intel 600P: 1300 MB/s read & 580 MB/s write
Mushkin Reactor: 560 MB/s read & 450 MB/s write on AMD. 420 MB/s read & 330 MB/s write on Asmedia.

My issue is with the drive not detecting unless I do a full shutdown and power on.
Taichi X370, Ryzen 1700 @ 4ghz, 32GB G.Skill TridentZ Ram, Samsung 960 EVO nvme, Intel 600P nvme, 2TB Seagate HDD, 2TB Hitachi HDD, 1TB Mushkin SSD, GTX 1080
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Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Strange problem with the SSDs on the SATA 1 and 2 ports. There are 4 - 6 SATA ports coming from the CPU, not just two. AMD's specs on this are confusing, and if you search on this, I find contradictory information. This of course ignores the ASMedia SATA ports.


I habe searched many overviews and they all say 2 from CPU + 6 from chipset like this one:

https://rog.asus.com/media/14878984098.gif

With slow I mean slower than a floppy disk! Booting from it goes fast but than randomly the SSD makes lunchbreak for 20 - 30 seconds without HDD LED is doing anything. Same when installing an OS on it. It starts fast but after 1 minute there is a pause and after that it transfers so slow that install would take days. If you want to test something you have to hurry after boot ...

One other strange thing on my Taichi board. When switched to Raid mode there are many offline arrays shown in raid Bios that are not deleteable (you can hit delete but they stay). Even after CMOS Reset or BIOS reflash they stay!

I will just stop using the first 2 ports until there is a new BIOS. After that I will try again using 2xBX100  (Raid 0) on these ports as planned.



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My issue is similar to Peter's only that none of the sata ports work for me.
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