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I have AGAIN submitted to AsRock a list of issues they need to fix (you can do it here http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp ) and I really hope that they can FINALLY fix things in a really short now as I am pretty sure we ( customers ) are way past the "not happy camper" status by now.

 Coherent list of stupidity we have to undergo with the ASRock X370 Taichi and X370 Professional Gaming:


Bios P4.40 or higher is mandatory for 12 nm Ryzen.

Really big issues in RED, not so important in BLUE


1- OVERCLOCK
If you want manual overclocking then you need "ASRock setting" and by that you will lose up to 18% mem bandwidth. You can't really OVERCLOCK with a flagship overclocking board that is more than a year old now. 
Bios - From 4.40 and up there is no workaround, so no overclocking.

 

 

2-CLOCK GENERATOR/BCLK
You purchased this ASRock hardware thinking of overclock ? No candy... More than a year later and now BCLK overclocking is BROKEN again along with any manual overclocking. BCLK to 103MHz ? Every board can do that without a the need of a clockgen.
Bios 4.40, 4.60, 4.70. Hurts 1st and 2nd gen CPU's


3-P-STATE Setting/OC ?

You just can't P-state, it won't work .
Bios 4.40, 4.60, 4.70. Hurts 1st and 2nd gen CPU's


4-PBO/SCALAR ADJUSTMENT
You heard about it on the ASUS thread, wer their guys are enjoying everything you miss ?? For PBO they have been slowly capping it and on their lastest bios and now you don't have adjustments, there is only "enable" or "disable". Scalar has been removed from any bios after 4.40.
Bios 4.60, 4.70. Hurts 1st and 2nd gen CPU's


5-AMD CBS Memory Timings

You can't overclock with this board so you need to rely on AMD CBS. Here you have the most lazy work for "Memory Timings" under "AMD CBS". It is a drop down list for most of the values which you select from their pre-defined and limited list of values...There you have HEX numbers and be amazed, If your overclock fails, you will net to re-enter everything as you will see right bellow on #6.

Bios - Every bios, since forever... 


Edit: Now they have capped the post length 



Edited by virpz - 11 Aug 2018 at 9:13pm
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Can you explain us why 4 months there's not a single bios update for this motherboard pushed on the Asrock site? This is a flagsh*t product along with the fatality and we are treated like some entry b350 motherboard customers.
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OK,

but not all memory types are affected !!!

It is being worked on.
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Originally posted by J Z J Z wrote:

Hi guys,
come down again. That with the X470 and 2000series was meant differently.
Have multiple daily eMail traffic and we are working on it. Am on many forums on the road and always have an ear for the problems. But I do not have to be insulted.
I do not have to put BIOSes or BetaBIOSe online !!! Was just friendly of me !!!

Please fill in the form as follows ...
http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp

ASRock TSD has been pretty dismissive for our claims and stuff that is wrong with the BIOS.  I already emailed them about the problems with the BIOS in regards to 1st gen and 2nd gen Ryzen and missing AM4 Memory Training.  Memory overclock fails when setting XMP, and does not stick at all.  Will try to boot 3 times and then go back to stock immediately.  They didn't want to listen at all.  It was some tard named Pablo Medina or something.  This is such a HUGE problem for those who want to overclock or use higher frequency memory. 
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Originally posted by J Z J Z wrote:

Hi guys,
come down again. That with the X470 and 2000series was meant differently.
Have multiple daily eMail traffic and we are working on it. Am on many forums on the road and always have an ear for the problems. But I do not have to be insulted.
I do not have to put BIOSes or BetaBIOSe online !!! Was just friendly of me !!!

Please fill in the form as follows ...
http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp

Are you the person who is doing their bios validation before release ?
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Hi guys,
come down again. That with the X470 and 2000series was meant differently.
Have multiple daily eMail traffic and we are working on it. Am on many forums on the road and always have an ear for the problems. But I do not have to be insulted.
I do not have to put BIOSes or BetaBIOSe online !!! Was just friendly of me !!!

Please fill in the form as follows ...
http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp
Kind Regards,
JZ

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Originally posted by J Z J Z wrote:

OK,

still, not everyone has noticed that everything is related to the AMD AGESA code. Those who previously had higher memory clock frequencies with old AGESA, but was not as performant as with the AGESA 1004 with less clock frequency. If you need more, you should get a X470 with ner 2000series CPU.

Certain memory types might have to be patched in the AGESA 1004 code !!!

If AMD has removed some non-functional or problematic features in the AGESA 1004, it is not ASRock's fault !!!

Can't set ANY XMP in 4.80.  Can't bother buying an X470 from ASRock when X370 still supported, unless that's their way of doing a quick cash grab from consumers.  That's a huge problem.  Pretty sure it IS ASRock's fault. 
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The fact that they don't release the bios on the official site and we got to download it from some site called jzsomething says it all. The official forums here also are non-secure connection in 2018... Assrock is a joke and I regret buying a motherboard from them over asus. As for AMD CBS settings for memory, they suck. As the others said the bios asks me to put HEX values xD.. Stop the excuses Assrock and pull your sh*t together, we bought a flagship board hoping we would get fast quality updates and the last bios you released was a beta 4.64  FOUR months ago... Such a high end product...
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Originally posted by J Z J Z wrote:

OK,

still, not everyone has noticed that everything is related to the AMD AGESA code. Those who previously had higher memory clock frequencies with old AGESA, but was not as performant as with the AGESA 1004 with less clock frequency. If you need more, you should get a X470 with ner 2000series CPU.

Certain memory types might have to be patched in the AGESA 1004 code !!!

If AMD has removed some non-functional or problematic features in the AGESA 1004, it is not ASRock's fault !!!

Certain memory types ? What about bios public release validation ??? As far as I am aware all the memory types are bad with 4.80, and I tell you that from a Samsung B-die perspective and ith the experience of a user that has been riding this board since it's release.
 

It is never AsRock fault, yet they are constantly pushing this motherboard down with their half-finished bios while the other vendors are not playing the "AMD fault game" and instead are actually fixing things.

If they could ever make a bios merging all the previous bios fixes like:

4.40  -  Full PBO capabilities that have been removed in all the late releases.

4.72  -  Memory bandwidth fixed/P-state fixed.

3.30 - Functional BCLCK. 

If they could do that then we would not complain about all the other minor issues that are arguably AsRock fault, not AMD.

I myself had the opportunity to have a C6H, Prime Pro, GB k7 and the Taichi here and I choose to keep the Taichi for my personal rig as by the time it had a better set of bios+hardware. 
Now it just sucks and is pretty frustrating that we are pointing and reporting the bios problems to AsRock for more than a year now and bios release after bios release they are not getting fixed, AsRock is not listening, they could not care less. 

If they can fix different problems on different versions of the bios why they can't make a bios release aggregating all those fixes ????

I don't know if you ever noticed but we paid for this board, we paid for it's features yet we have been waiting for so long to AsRock step up their bios engineering team. By now we deserved better treatment from AsRock, we deserved a mature board with a mature bios to follow with it, we deserved respect. Now you come here and tell us to buy a X470 board... why would we do that, give us a single reason to listen to you ??? 

Now I would love to meet they guy doing the validation for public release on their bios, that person is either plain incompetent or unexperienced.


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OK,

still, not everyone has noticed that everything is related to the AMD AGESA code. Those who previously had higher memory clock frequencies with old AGESA, but was not as performant as with the AGESA 1004 with less clock frequency. If you need more, you should get a X470 with ner 2000series CPU.

Certain memory types might have to be patched in the AGESA 1004 code !!!

If AMD has removed some non-functional or problematic features in the AGESA 1004, it is not ASRock's fault !!!
Kind Regards,
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