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Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I was wondering the same but assumed that it already contains AGESA 1.0.0.6  (AGESA AM4 <>AGESA TR4)....  else it wouldn't make sense when logically thinking (to include lower release with a product that is 3 -4 months older)...


ThreadRipper, as witnessed by 8 memory slots, employs a quad channel memory controller vs Ryzens two channel controller.

AGESA revisions will not follow Ryzens.

Thanks wardog, so I assume I have no other option as to wait for a future AGESA updates in hopes that I will reach the same mem  speeds on x399 as on the x370.
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Just wanted to add that on the X399 FPG Bios v 1.6 there is no notable change in the memory (OC) stability. (Also none was expected really, but I wanted to post this for others wondering the same).
 
3066 feels maybe just a little bit more stable (can also be a placebo), but 3200 is still a far cry compared to X370 FPG mainboard.

UPDATE: 3066 stability was a placebo... :-/  
Waiting for AMD & ASRock to address the quad channel memory controller stability in the future updates...


Edited by SoniC - 23 Sep 2017 at 6:56am
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote datonyb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 6:57am
off topic a bit

but feck me sideways sonic

you dont mess around with the cost of a build do you !

respect to that system

i shudder to think what it all cost
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Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

off topic a bit

but feck me sideways sonic

you dont mess around with the cost of a build do you !

respect to that system

i shudder to think what it all cost

Thanks man.... yeah.... it cost me an arm and a leg (don't forget about a kidney LOL )
"Men will always be boys.... just the toys are getting more expensive".

Another Update: 
Updated to Beta BIOS L.1.61 (courtesy of jzelectronic.de   -- thanks man), and again no noticeable changes. Mem still on 2933 on my main X399 rig (vs 3200 on X370 for exactly the same modules).
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SoniC, what 64GB Kit PN is that G.Skill goodness you have there?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote parsec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 10:39am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

>>I am just... stunned, shocked, and baffled that you can use 64GB of Ripjaws V in an AM4 board at 3200! Shocked
>>Nothing but Intel in the G.SKILL QVL:
But you haven't checked that : it is in QVL on the ASRock site, and yes, it is a Samsung Die, and it works with 3200 CL14 2T Wink


>>Plus, are you using two 32GB kits of this memory, for the 64GB total? Confused
No, they are sold as a 64GB kit too.




I know, sorry, I just enjoy the irony of G.SKILL's QVL lists, which are basically meaningless when it comes to Ryzen.

For example, G.SKILL added Intel X299 boards to the QVL (Ripjaws V is not a new model), that were released after X370/Ryzen, yet we know your F4-3200C14-GVR memory works in both X370 and X399 systems, that are not in their QVL. In the past, I assumed that was because the XMP profile was designed for Intel systems, but as you know, the XMP profile works for Ryzen too.

I suggest posting in the AMD forum regarding Threadripper AGESA updates, and the numbering scheme. Who would know better than AMD?

I think it is strange that the memory capability of Threadripper is different than that of Ryzen at this point. If Threadripper is basically Ryzen Zepplin processor modules including the IMC, just more of them in one package, then they should be identical in memory speed capability. Or better, if as I have read, Threadripper uses Ryzen modules that are the top 5% - 10% best binned modules.

G.SKILL has just released new Ryzen/Threadripper optimized models of their TridentZ line. The model numbers will end in an 'X' to designate that compatibility. I'm not adding this for any reason except FYI, since I really don't think it matters much. I'd love to know what differences there are between the Intel and AMD models:

https://www.techpowerup.com/237240/g-skill-releases-amd-ryzen-optimized-trident-z-rgb-ddr4-memory

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Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

SoniC, what 64GB Kit PN is that G.Skill goodness you have there?



Got it, I think:
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14q-64gvr
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Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

SoniC, what 64GB Kit PN is that G.Skill goodness you have there?



Got it, I think:
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14q-64gvr

Yup, that's exatly this PN --- F4-3200C14-16GVR. 
Ripjaws V (red) 4x 16GB set.

X370 (after AGESA 1.0.0.6) - load XMP, set CR to 2T and Geardown disable and done - fire & forget.
X399 - you can observe my fight here in this thread Wink
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New BIOS for ASRock FPG & Taichi X399 -- 1.70.
But since they only mention the new NVME Raid functionality I assume it will behave exactly the same as 1.60 & 1.61 in regard of memory support & compatibility (quad channel is still worse than x370 (my 16GBx4 sticks reach only 2933 and on x370 -- full speed 3200 CL14), and 8 channel is nearly non-functional populated with 16GB modules).


Edited by SoniC - 03 Oct 2017 at 12:05am
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New BIOS out --- 1.80:
Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4

Testing will follow today in the evening.
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